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| Ditto.
| https://sukeban.moe/index.php/2019/04/01/if-we-could-be-serious-for-a-minute/#more-389
| Wouldn't be cool if this board could do something for them? I've got to be honest, I'm not entirely certain what the logistics of transporting three people and their loved ones out of there, and it does sound like a lot of paperwork with visas and whatnot... But I feel like there's gotta be something we can do. Can't we at least look into it? Do we have any g/u/rls well versed in immigration laws? As long as the liberals run Canada, we'll let just about anyone into this country.
| >>547343 I don't think it is that easy, and in the case of Venezuela they close roads, they don't let a single I doubt airplanes are even an option.
Even so they wouldn't be in the mood for anything, they would lose the country where they were born, where all their family and friends are.
It sad to see this situation on XXI, but we can't do nothing, the only ones who can (countries, NU...) can't because that would end up in a global war. It sad no one think about civilians first.
| Who's responsible for whatever's going down in Venezuela right now? I'll bring the wrath of god upon them for ruining Sukeban's april fools joke. >:(
| Its a very dire situation they are sucked into right now. I hope they can pull through because Sukeban is one the best studios out there right now.
Capcha: rubes feels hymen
| What can we realistically do to help? Everyone buys two plushies?
| >>547377
I guess buying dozens copies of VA-11 Hall-A (or use Itch.io's tipping feature!) would be the simplest way to help, yeah.
Though I'm not even sure if that's a direct help considering the situation in Venezuela...
| >>547370
It's not clear. Government blames opposition, opposition blames government. Both sides seem to be very serious about staying or getting into power. Additionally the country has lots of natural ressources which makes it a subject of interest for foreign global powers that antagonize each other and support either opposition or government. If things come to the worst they'll have a civil war which is in fact a proxy war. This could be the spark which makes the world explode.
| It is clear who ruined the country (Chavez/Maduro). The problem is that the option (Guaido) is also clearly a puppet of the people who have the most interest on their oil.
| If the opposition could cause hyperinflation to that degree, then the government is weak/unfit to rule anyways.
And it's not because of that. The country relly too much on oil economy when the price of oil plummets, so does the country. Also the government is corrupt, putting incapable person in charge of oil mining, so they produce less oil
| >>547559
Well, you're right that Chavez already made big mistakes when it comes to economic-technologic development. Nevertheless he was democratically legitimated and managed to keep the countries sovereignty towards the USA. Also his social programs weren't that bad. Maduro isn't as popular as Chavez and his priority is clearly to stay in power at all means (which works for him so far). But there ARE external factors for the venezuelan crisis: The dropping oil price and the USA.
| And by the way, the dropping oil price has also its dark sides:
It relies on onholding despotism, terrorism and war in the near east and lately on massive damages to the environment either by offshore mining (BP) or fracking technology (massively pushed in the USA)
Not to see the whole thing and blame a local government (which biggest mistake was to overestimate its power and integrity) for a in fact global problem is very short sighted.
| There are still many countries where people live in much worse situations - and no one gives a shit. Venezuela is only a subject of international interest for ideological and geopolitical reasons. And in our case we care because the creators of the great game which inspired this board, live there.
In think the setting/story of the game also reflects the circumstances the developers live in - which makes it worth more than the usual escapeism/consumerism behind video games.
| So my opinion on the anon who said Is there anything we can do to help
Probably not, and I'd wager it's dangerous to try and give them help, probably better to let them figure it out, after their game they've probably got money they did hire two new people so it's red tape and personal stuff they've got to work through
| >>547721 usual people like us are most likely not dangerous, we can't have influence in the government of Venezuela, maybe it's like giving a dolar/euro to a homeless, MAYBE it would help just a little. But if a politizian tries to help it could end up into bigger words. The same will go with rich people trying to help, most likely they will be targeted by Venezuela or even other countries. It's a war that's cold on the outside, but really hot in the inside.
shits mules saty
Wtf
| >>547721 if they think it's dangerous to even talk in any detail it's probably not the best idea for most people to try and dig up information in an attempt to help, and bringing more attention to them might draw the attention of their government as well so it's probably best to let them work through it with people they trust instead of an internet mob
| >>547733
>we can't have influence in the government of Venezuela
Not directly but indirectly. Just stop fracking and offshore oil digging and stop pushing the escalation by sanctions or intervention threats. A lot of western countries deal with autocrats and dictators that are much worse than Maduro in a much more gentle way. It's time to accept that the regime changed failed. Every step further this way will end up in a even bigger humanitarian disaster.
| >>547733
>if a politizian tries to help
I would not trust any foreign politician to help my country, who won elections with a campaign saying to make "his" country great again/coming first.
>The same will go with rich people trying to help
Rich people never try to help. They help only themselves, that's why the became rich because that's how the system works. At least this is what even most supporters of this system told me...
| >>547788 ehh depends really, there are tax breaks for donating to charity so most companies and people with a lot of money give a pretty good amount to different orgs in the US, and rich people are still people so you find people like Bill gates who gives a lot of money to research on vaccines and such for developing countries
Basically depends on how much you expect others to devote to helping people just because they have a lot of money, along with CEO being a position that 1/2
| CEO being a position that pays extremely well and also being an occupation that encourages sociopathic tendencies. So yes rich generally don't help others just to help others but If you count tax incentives and pr stunts then they probably put up most of the capital orgs that do help need
| >>547815
I don't want to live in a society where poor people are dependent on rich peoples mercy. Bill Gates is a real bad example. His wealth was founded on systematically bypassing the rules of "free market". Other than later IT-Monopolists not so much with tax avoiding strategies but therefor he was a genius in undermining antitrust law. In fact the rich don't play by the rules they expect the less wealthier people to follow. Free Market is a farce!
| >>547816
>If you count tax incentives and pr stunts then they probably put up most of the capital orgs that do help need
I don't see much from the tax incentives, cause the rich have infiltrated politics with their lobbyists. They have such an immense influnce on politics, that they can make sure they gain back the small amount of taxes they pay.
Also I want to point out that (too high) CEO's salaries are a different discussion than capital yield (which is lower taxed).
| >>547881 I don't want to live in a society where people are dependent on anyone's mercy, giving full control to the government would just change who is the "oppressor"
And anarchy wouldn't work either
Humanity is doomed no matter what we do with society so it's better just chill out and see how other humans find new ways to screw one another
We are selfish by nature, you may try to fight it but it will win over you, might as well accept the truth and stop worrying
| >giving full control to the government would just change who is the "oppressor"
Depends on the government. If it's base democratic and international.
>Humanity is doomed no matter what we do with society
>We are selfish by nature
This way of thinking is nothing but a self fullfying prophecy and for some a cheap excuse for beeing an asshole. Also it is scientifically wrong: All primates (including humans) have social behavior which is not based on pure selfishness.
| >>547883
>it's better just chill out and see how other humans find new ways to screw one another
If I wasn't human, I would probably do this. Unfortunately I am a human beeing, so I'm directly and indirectly affected by everything humanity does. And I know that most people want to do better than society expects them to. They are sick from selfish and self-righteous leaders in economy and politics and beeing told their reign is the best for them.
| And I couldn't "chill out" if suddenly my neighbors "disappear" because some douchebag gave other people a new scapegoat to butcher for their own sins. If there was any proof, that humanity is doomed I wouldn't go out of my bed anymore. Most things I do are not for me but for my fellow human beeings. For my friends, for my family and for all honest and reasonable people in the world, who have the will but not the power do change it.
| >>548025 ehh not really, everything has a selfish root, we maintain friendship because our psychology needs to and for protection/resources we don't murder because social contract and we don't want others to murder us we give to the poor to feel we made a difference, everyone is selfish in this way and your neighbor isn't dead yet
It's all perspective really
| We already know basically everyone has greed along with the other sins, it's what prevents any type of Utopia from working, form a socialist government that gives everything to it's people, look forward to a takeover from the inside out or a coup because you don't pay your military better than everyone else
| >>548031
>ehh not really, everything has a selfish root
as you said
>It's all perspective
Also your theories about "human nature" are pretty contradictory:
>we maintain friendship because our psychology needs to
So if our psychology is part of our nature it would mean humans maintain friendship by nature?
I think your definition of "selfish behaviour" is a bit overextended here. I would say a selfish act is always intentional.
| >>548031
>we don't murder because social contract
Do you know which impact murdering has on most peoples psychology?
And I think of speaking for me like for many others if I say that our "social contracts" are pretty often worse than what most people really want. While officially most civilizations condemn murder they institutionalized it on the other hand (death penalty, warfare) But a minority of people would murder others with their own hands and even fewer would enjoy it.
| >>548032
>We already know basically everyone has greed along with the other sins
No one would seriously deny that.
>it's what prevents any type of Utopia from working
This is nothing but an empty a killer argument to any kind of reform, change, progression and try to improve things.
Also to proclaim "Utopia" is impossible is equally stupid and arrogant like alleging to know it is possible (and how). No one knows that.
| >a socialist government that gives everything to it's people
A "socialist govermnent" that deserves that name IS THE PEOPLE. This is a question of consciousness. Not the old, outdated and made up but also with huge efforts revived national, religious, cultural and "racial" identities but about international class identity. Economic classes are not made up and they have the most effect on humanity. They are the identity to rule them all, which is understood best by the upper class.
| >>78c454 what you want isn't progress or reform, you want an existing system to be reinstated, if you want real change come up with a truly alternative solution, not what some ancient dude dictated in his time
What we need is not socialism or communism nor capitalism or anarchy
People need something NEW, new ideals new organization new ways to organize
Stop being so hung up in things of the past
| >>548032
>look forward to a takeover from the inside out or a coup because you don't pay your military better than everyone else
This is a particular problem of socialist regimes that only could establish themselves (not without reasons) in underdeveloped countries that are unfortunately in the interest sphere of global powers, which are de-facto always capitalist. They only work because their elites understood the shabby practice how to divide and conquer.
| >>548069
>what you want isn't progress or reform, you want an existing system to be reinstated
Nope. That's what libertarians, social democrats, conservatives and far-right groups want (even if they officially say different)
>what some ancient dude dictated in his time
I think this dude analysis is still closer to the truth and pretty actual then everything else I saw so far.
His "solution" thought, was indeed very under-specified and vague and in most cases far ahead of his time.
| >>78c454 ok then keep blindly trusting your 'visionary', I'll just accept how things currently work until I find a better solution
| >>548069
>People need something NEW, new ideals new organization new ways to organize
Stop being so hung up in things of the past
Yeah, I think so too. But for me "communism/socialism" would be still something new what was never there. And even if you rebrand alternative approaches of organization, the profiteers of the status quo will say:
>Uh, that's communism
>It belongs to the past
>Stalin
>go to Northkorea
>Hitler was in truth also a communist
so that nothing changes.
| >>78c454 ok, you believe that and I believe what I believe
My arguments are shallow and ineffective, your arguments are also shallow and ineffective, so let's agree to disagree until one of us learn how to properly persuade thenother
| >>548072
>ok then keep blindly trusting your 'visionary'
That's an imputation! I do not trust anything blindly. I'm a sceptical.
>I'll just accept how things currently work
Do you really think I live from reading or preaching marx? I have to deal too with how the things currently work.
>until I find a better solution
Yeah, then good luck on your search. I hope you don't fell for some "visionary" of the real bad kind if the situation starts getting uncomfortable for you too.
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| wew, I see that /news/ has taken a holiday in /v/.
| This thread turned into shite. I was just asking if buying plushies would help them. Janny pls kill us all
Captcha: amid greek scorn
| Godspeed to sukeban !!!
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| damn it
i'm so worry about them
hope they are fine
| I leave for a day and come back to this. Get back you your board! And as >>548198 and>>548095 said. Buy plushies. And games. Tell your friends. And your family. And your dog.
| Sorry, but I won't buy anything until I know that 100% of the money is going to Sukeban and none of it is financing a shitty dictatorship.
| You can't buy anything from Venezuela. Western estates put an embargo on the country. No dollars for Venezuela. Because douchbag logic like this:
>>548316
Btw. do you know where the oil in your plastic toys, logistic infrastructure and car comes? All good democracies?
A huge amount of resources used in western countries come from governments that are thousand times worse than Venezuela, and no one cares. Stop being so hypocritical.
| >>548093
I'd say close the thread or something, it's not even about videogames anymore...just people trashtalking about politics
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