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"Natural Death"
| Death by violently masturbating myself will be culprit of my natural death. I had an orgasm after every sentence that I read in this very topic.
| death in a shootout because i haven't paid taxes
| You got it wrong OP. Natural deaths are occurring in the course of nature and from natural causes (as age or disease). Violence or accidents aren't natural deaths.
Argumentum ad Numerum is a fallacy.
| Bit we wouldnt call cancer a natural death, wouldnt we?
| >>759217 So would you consider an animal dying in a fight for territory a natural death? What about the food chain?
>>759180 It all comes down to how you define "nature". Some people don't think humans are a part of nature, so they'll tell you death as a result of human actions isn't "natural". Personally I think that's splitting hairs, but I also understand why the term is used the way it is.
>>759222 I'd say dying from cancer is more natural than surviving it
| >>759224
Natural death refers to dying from an illness or an internal malfunction of the body not directly caused by external forces, other than infectious disease.
When people kill themselves, are killed by someone else or die as the result of an accident, that’s considered non-natural. This includes prey eaten by predators in the food chain.
I know it can be confusing because predators eating prey isn't an unatural occurence. But this is the linguistic and legal definition.
| >>759228 Thanks for the proper definition first of all. Like I said, I get why the term is used the way it is and why it makes sense, but I also understand why people take issue with it. Language can be weird.
| >>759217
It's not a fallacy, it's logic. If the majority of human deaths have been violent in some form or another, began as a trend of violent death since the beginning of human history, then the modern conception of "natural death" is objectively illogical and wrong.
| >>759228
That definition of "natural death" is completely irrational. It's just a projection of a moral framework.
| >>759228
The legal definition is irrational and illogical. All death is natural. Do you know how rare it used to be for people to make it to old age even a hundred years ago?
| no death is natural
| Just remember to save your game, and reload your game incase you die. So easy.
| >>a7f8bf
As someone said earlier in this thread, it all comes down to how you define nature. Words tend to have more than one meaning and one of these definitions fits logically, as explained earlier.
I know it can be confusing if you don't care to be educated enough, but you're focusing too hard on the wrong definition of the word natural.
Oh, and Argumentum ad Numerum is definitely a fallacy. You can't deny this and still expect to be taken seriously.
| and who cares?
| >>759481
The definition of "natural" I'm proposing is most logical. Human existence most likely went a very long time before old age and long developing internal conditions came into the realm of expirations. Regardless, there really is no such thing as an "unnatural" death becomes death is pervasive and nearly infinite in its forms. The concept of an "natural" vs "unnatural" death is just a product of human domestication.
| >>759481
Your Numerical Fallacy does not apply here because it is irrelevant in the scope of things. I'm not denying it is a logical fallacy in certain conditions, but this isn't one of them. If almost every person believes the Earth is flat, while only a minority knew the truth, that is where that fallacy would apply. It does not apply here because we're not just contingent on quantity, but precedent and objectivity. "Natural death" is a subjective concept.
| >>759506
Everything you just wrote can be answered in the post you replied to. It just went over your head.
| >>759540
>The number is big enough to not apply to Argumentum ad Numerum
You're misrepresenting what I said. I didn't say that, I implied the "traditional" view of death predates the clinical view of it.
| >>759541
No and your condescension does not equal substance. I am arguing the "linguistic" definition is incorrect because it is arbitrary. You have not made any argument to its veracity, unless you count ad hominems as a defense.
My argument: all death is natural and any proposed exclusions are based on arbitrary factors without any logical justification. If you want to talk fallacies, your attachment to an establishment concept is an appeal to authority fallacy.
| >>759614
You're still focusing on the wrong definition of natural, as explained in the post you responded to. I suggest you educate yourself on the various definitions of the word before you criticise it. This isn't rocket science.
| So according to >>a7f8bf, children dieing from intentionally released mustard gas is considered natural death? Brb lemme test it to see
| >>759635
You're right it's not rocket science, if it was you'd be trying to appeal to that authority, as well. Your whole position is based on appeal to authority fallacy and you've made no case to support why you believe the clinical definition is the correct one. All you have to offer is condescension. Sure, "natural" has different connotations, but it's irrelevant in this context. The clinical definition is arbitrary and meaningless.
| >>759637
Yes, that is "natural". All death is "natural". Everything involved in the process you described is from nature, even the synthesized chemicals. Murder is natural, killing is natural, death is natural and all death is natural. You're drawing arbitrary distinctions based on moral projections.
| What if aliens kill people with mustard gas in a simulation, and then reupload their dead consciousness into the living body?
| Defeat death, embrace transhumanism, storm the heavens.
| >759643
Bruh
| Everything is natural, this word means nothing.
It's just used as a way to describe "non avoidable and not exceptional". If we were expecting the person to die "on their own" then it's a natural death, more or less.
But yeah, just stop using "natural", it's either useless or a problem.
| >>759793
I think the rest of us will have no trouble continuing its current uses considering that we understand its many meanings.
But good luck with your crusade against people who uses the word natural. It sounds like a *really* mentally stable thing to occupy your time with.
| >>759860 Yeah, no trouble at all, that's why most people who fall into fake medicine are baited by the "fact" that they are "natural" solutions.
If you don't see the problem it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
| >>759891
The linguistic aspect of the word natural is not the cause of grifting. Claiming so is utterly extemporaneous and *censoring* the word natural will never be the solution to end grifting.
It's laughable that you even try to spin this point. If I were you I would find another hill to die on.
>If you don't see the problem it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
If you don't see the uses for the word natural it doesn't mean that they don't exist. /Checkmate.
| >>759967 My bad, I should have seen that you were a big brain when you used the word "crusade".
Never thought I'd ever see someone use "checkmate" seriously, though. Let's be optimistic and assume you're a troll.
| I would say >>759228 has it correct. It likely originated more from people dying with no foul play or obvious sign. Such as maybe an old farmer having a heart attack in 1850 and dying. What killed him might not have been known exactly but, you might not need to know the exact cause as if does not seem that there is foul play or that he had a disease of some kind before the incident so you may just rule it as natural cause. It has more legal implications if anything.
| >>760032 But if someone has a heart attack now, it won't always be considered a "natural" death. But it will if they're "old enough", "old enough" being a variable age.
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| This seems to be an irrational term. "Natural death" is used to describe a peaceful death at old age, but all death is "natural". In fact, for much of our human history, death has primarily been violent in one way or another for the majority of the population. I would argue old age is the least organic method of expiration.