Post number #542287, ID: ee567b
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It's time to take some action, ideas?
Post number #542289, ID: 6cf3fe
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Commies? in my house? more than you think
Post number #542295, ID: d245eb
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If you can't beat 'em, join 'em! Or do the same as Pavko Morozov and denounce them.
Post number #542311, ID: 867ec0
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If they make more than you, tell them that evryone should share their income equally in the household.
Post number #542334, ID: b2e1d1
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Follow their example. Exterminate capitalist scum.
Post number #542379, ID: 61fd2e
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follow their example. stop working and still demand money
Post number #542403, ID: 5f3339
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Follow their example. Seize the means of production, the gentle laborer shall no longer suffer!
Post number #542412, ID: cfb1c8
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Show them that hard work should be rewarded and that lazy scum should not be paid
Post number #542435, ID: 9de244
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Report that red scum to the police and watch them hopefully be executed by a firing squad on the spot. You'd lose your parents, sure, but at least you'll serve your country, and isn't that what really matters at the end of the day?
Post number #542436, ID: d3af73
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Well, the communists have the music.
Post number #542495, ID: de2435
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Wow, so much hatred here. Cold War is over guys...
Post number #542545, ID: 78d23d
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>>542436 What music dude, all the countries on the red side of the iron wall were so culturally bankrupt, that it will make EA game studios blush
Post number #542553, ID: d3af73
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>>542545 https://youtu.be/vvCGZEqk8Ak
Post number #542566, ID: e74c50
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>>542495 relax, people are just joking
Post number #542787, ID: 158607
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I'm not partial to the marital
Post number #542842, ID: 3395a7
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>>542412 so, show them capitalism?
Post number #542854, ID: cfb1c8
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>>542842 exactly
Post number #542950, ID: a74c4f
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Capitalism is a dirty business.
Post number #542951, ID: d3fddb
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>>542950 go starve communist sloth
Post number #543224, ID: 047233
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>>542951 Drown in your dirty money capitalist drone.
Post number #543233, ID: b2fdfd
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ask them about the bread book
Post number #543668, ID: 70f72e
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become a nazi
Post number #543873, ID: 839ed7
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>>543224 yes we do have money (and higher life expectancy) you utter rabble
Post number #543886, ID: e44001
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>>542495 Cold war may be over but not class struggle!
Post number #543889, ID: e44001
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>>543873 Yeah by exploiting third world countries. >>542412>>542379 You twist facts here: It's the capitalists and their arse-lickers that are the lazy scum that live on other peoples work
Post number #543890, ID: a74c4f
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>>542951 So evil
Post number #543893, ID: e44001
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>>542287 Maybe you just ask your parents?
I bet you're just another miseducated US-citizen who doesn't know the difference between liberals and socialists/communists. And your parents are probably only liberals that support social measurements to satisfy their bad bourgeois concience.
Post number #543895, ID: e44001
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>>542951 Most people starved in capitalism so far...
Post number #543898, ID: cfb1c8
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Communism doesn't work, communism never worked, there will be no benevolent dictator that will magically create "real communism" that saves the world, it's kind of ironic because you are the ones who say that power corrupts, and a communism without a government would fail even harder because you're depending on the goodwill of the people to follow the rules and to give up on having property and who would control the incomes to make sure everyone is equal? You guys are delusional
Post number #543982, ID: a74c4f
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Neither is perfect. at least with socialism people didn't have to struggle with employment though.
Post number #543995, ID: b771df
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>>543982 just a question, in socialism would I be allowed to work with whatever I wanted?
Post number #544030, ID: e44001
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>>543995 No, that's communism, which always implies full automation in its last state. Socialism is only meant to be a transition from capitalism to communism. But historically it was either a transition from a feudal to an industrialized system or from a colony to an independent state. Up to now there was no socialist revolution in a full industrialized capitalist country. Meanwhile the most ex-socialist countries are commonly recognized as "estate-capitalism".
Post number #544033, ID: f5fb62
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>>544030 so in socialism I'm not allowed to go around building potentially dangerous robots just for fun?
Post number #544034, ID: e44001
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>>543898 >Communism doesn't work That's arrogant >communism never worked Because it never was achieved? >there will be no benevolent dictator that will magically create "real communism" Well, the communist manifesto itself doesn't proclaim such things. >it's kind of ironic because you are the ones who say that power corrupts, and a communism without a government would fail even harder because you're depending on the goodwill of the people to follow the rules That's capitalism.
Post number #544037, ID: e44001
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>>544033 I doubt you would get democratic legitimization in the according council(s) for it. So I would say no. But who knows? Maybe there once comes a time when people think they need you to build potentially dangerous robots for fun...
Post number #544039, ID: cfb1c8
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>>544034 what is communism then, you want a society where people arw all equal as long as they obey the government? You want everyone to have food and shelter but no free thinking? Do simply hate rich people? Or are you one of those lazy bums who don't want to work? Why is communism good? Are you sure it is good? Or you just "hate injustice" and think this will be a deus ex machina that saves everyone in the end like in a movie?
Post number #544040, ID: 87f70a
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>>544037 if I won't be allowed to make my robots I don't want this system
Post number #544044, ID: e44001
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>>543898 >to give up on having property That's not what socialism/communism is about. Pleas check the official sources and not capitalist propaganda. It was never about giving up property in general. It was only about property of productions means like machines and factories (=capital) and eventually natural resources, ground and last but not least ideas (intellectual property).
Post number #544046, ID: cfb1c8
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>>544044 after the means of production, the natural resources, the ground and the ideas what is left, what property remains?
Post number #544049, ID: e44001
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>>543898 >and who would control the incomes Who does it now? The "market"? The invisible hand spawning from individuals egomaniac actions? This doesn't work, because it ignores that there ARE economic classes that have contradictory interests - and most important: different economical power. >to make sure everyone is equal? Again a capitalist propaganda lie. Socialism/Communism was never about making everyone (ecomonically) equal. It's all about equality in face of law and estate.
Post number #544052, ID: e44001
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>>544046 Everything else of course. Your home, your bed, your room, your privacy. And most important: Your labor!
Post number #544054, ID: cfb1c8
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>>544052 my labor is definitely less important to me than my ideas
Post number #544055, ID: e44001
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>>544046 btw. only ground, natural ressources and ideas that are production means. Not the ground in your backyard. Except it turns out it has an oil sping under it. Then it belongs to the public and you will get an according compensation. Else you would become a capitalist, which is a thing we want to avoid.
Post number #544056, ID: cfb1c8
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>>544055 tell me again why do we want to avoid capitalism?
Post number #544057, ID: e44001
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>>544054 You could see ideas as intellectual labor. And without real labor your ideas are worthless. That's where division of labor starts. In the current situation intellectual labor still is pretty much flattered and intertwined with capital, but things are changing thanks to licensing and AI development ;-)
Post number #544058, ID: cfb1c8
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From what you're saying it seems to me that the only major difference is that the government will replace the corporations I don't see how this changes anything to people in the end What guarantees do I have that the government won't be as bad, if not worse than, the "evil companies that rule the world from the shadows" Like seriously? What changes? Why do you imply that I don't own my labor? Will everything that I produce in your system belong to me?
Post number #544060, ID: cfb1c8
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You seem to be far more well informed than most people who say they want communism But all the information you're giving me is making it less appealing, though more realistic, than those lofty ideals the others who defend this stuff spew from their mouths
Post number #544061, ID: e44001
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>>544056 because it is determined to fail. The contradiction between classes will on the long term always lead to collapse after collapse (as long we don't make use of our military overkill potential) And even if the whole world is once fully globalized and industrialized without any conflicts (which i doubt) there is an end. Because infinite growth doesn't work. Our world (and even the whole universe) is not infinite!
Post number #544062, ID: e44001
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>>544058 >From what you're saying it seems to me that the only major difference is that the government will replace the corporations This is a relevant difference, if we suppose the government organized basic democratically. Of course you could also go the other way around and democratize the corporations. This is exactly what happened in the earlier stages of the internet. Thats why Corporations put massive efforts in restricting internet technology with capitalist property logic.
Post number #544067, ID: e44001
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>>544058 >Will everything that I produce in your system belong to me? Not directly. It will belong to all people (including YOU). They are represented by an institution they control democratically. Beside the classical centralized estate model (which often failed for plenty reasons) there are some examples of companies owned by workers, like this one in the basque region of spain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_Corporation
Post number #544069, ID: e44001
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>>cfb1c8 if you are interested in a literally awesome as simple explaination why capitalism is determined to fail and why it's the bourgeoisie class that is the disillusioned one, I recommend to read "the iron heel" by Jack London. Of course, simplification always comes with inaccuracy, but "the Capital" by Marx and Engels is really hard stuff that suffers from antique style, high self-expectations of its authors and historical missusage. Nevertheless it's still "revolutionary".
Post number #544071, ID: e44001
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>>cfb1c8 You may need TOR to get acces to this site, as it is restricted in some countries: Jack London - The Iron heel https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1164
And especially related to our discussion: CHAPTER IX - "THE MATHEMATICS OF A DREAM" https://www.gutenberg.org/files/1164/1164-h/1164-h.htm#link2HCH0009
Post number #544076, ID: 6cf3fe
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i thought this was a meme thread
Post number #544079, ID: e44001
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>>544076 Everything is a meme. Nothing is a meme. The word "meme" became meaningless. Maybe it was meaningless from the beginning and only served a certain academic dude to gain attention.
Post number #544134, ID: fadd53
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>>e44001 You must be great at parties.
Post number #544136, ID: cfb1c8
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>>544134 you know, I still disagree with thay gurl and still think communism would never work But this conversation was the best I ever had with someone who claims that communism is good, it wasn't about the power of friendship or how the equality would save us all because yes, it was an argument about limited resources and the importance of certain regulations Not enough to convince me but enough to get my respect
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