I feel lucky to have autism.
| I am constantly overstimulated but yeah is kinda chill sometimes can't imagine not having it
| I get overstimulated too sometimes but even so it's still a net positive to have autism. If you have high IQ and are autistic you have some serious strengths at your disposal but if you have low IQ and autism your life is basically hell.
| >>1040038
IQ isn't a real measure of intelligence. I know a lot of us autistics have a little praise kink and like being called a smart and special good little g/u/rl, but IQ test scores, even the "official" ones, mean next to nothing. Really anything at all that says some humans are just naturally more or less intelligent than other humans is weird pseudoscience
| i unno i just mask it and seem normal and life goes normally
| I'm the monkey butt of someone's romcom
| >>1040054
IQ test-scores shows your logical, verbal and sometimes your spatial intelligence which fits perfectly in line with the pattern recognition of people with autism, hence why scoring high on IQ tests is a strength for us.
That's all. If you thought I said anything else you were reading too deep into my posts.
| >>1040054
I didn't want this thread to turn into yet another trite "ur wrong because I said so and my words should be taken as the sole benchmark for being correct" but I'll bite in this case because I've attended the same discussion at Mensa, and when I heard people talk about the topic some would sometimes hiss "You can't measure intelligence!" It was either that belief or an equally blind faith in IQ. Often opinions seemed to be guided by gut feeling that it was either good
| or bad to rank people's intellectual capacity. My own gut feeling also says a lot of things. But I don't want gut feelings. I want answers. I want to know what intelligence is. And even among intelligence researchers there's no real consensus, but in order to discuss intelligence you first need to specifiy what intelligence is so we're on the same page. One definition is "Having the ability to solve problems and draw conclusions from previously unknown information."
| Another, more detailed definition is that intelligence is a very general mental capacity that, among other things, involves the ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, understand complex ideas, learn quickly, and learn from experience. It's not just about learned knowledge, academic talent, or being good at taking tests. Rather it reflects a broader and deeper ability to understand our surroundings — to comprehend things our figure out what to do.
| >>1040066
Oooooh I liked how you looked for evidence
>>1040054
I like being called a good smart g/u/rl ;-;
| If this is a good definition for intelligence then it can be measured.
>>1040067
It's like any other social group, really, except it's for people who due to their IQ, often have trouble socialising in other settings. For me it's a place where I can let go and be myself and talk freely without being too misunderstood. We talk about anything. Games, music, our interests and lives, and obviously we talk about intelligence since that's what we all might have in common.
| I usually get worn out after a few hours of socialising so I tend to focus on board games instead, especially if we go out, because drinking beer and playing games at the pub is so damn fun.
| nigga every human has pattern recognition
| autistic enough to make this thread, not autistic enough for her advanced pattern recognition to realize what will become of it immediately after posting
alas
| >>d927fc
Do you have anything to add? Because going "X is true, trust me bro" without evaluating why it's true is trite nonsense and on the same level as the rest of these no-life trolls. You say that IQ test-scores mean next to nothing. I say that shallow and empty statements mean next to nothing.
| I wish I was, at least then I'd have an excuse for being retarded
| You should autism all over my tits.
| Sounds autistic
| >>1040117
Your ability to recognise patterns in little shapes on a screen and whatever doesn't translate to functioning well or succeeding in the world. I have a friend who's in like the top 1% of IQ with the official little Mensa card and everything. He's great at math and chess, but he also often struggles with most other things. I wouldn't call him dumb by any means, but I know people who scored way lower on IQ who are way quicker at grasping things that aren't, well, just math
| The stuff IQ measures is a very specific thing within "intelligence", and that thing is usually only useful within academia. It doesn't mean you can handle social interaction well, or have a good ability to understand societal structures, or that you'd be good at doing really anything other than doing tests. He's good at reading the same thing over and over then remembering the answer for when he needs to put it on a test. That hasn't really helped him outside of Mensa at all
| While the skills it does measure are pretty cool and can be very useful within certain contexts, it seems stupid to me to value it so highly when there exists so many skills and types of intelligence that are also useful, often more so. That's why society works when different people are working together, and why academics having intelligence circle jerks contributes nothing to society
| Why the FUCK are emotional intelligence, social intelligence, philosophical intelligence not recognized yet?!?!
I have seen incredibly intelligent people taking stupid decisions, or making wrong assumptions about an obvious social situation
Not trying to offend you, autistic people, (I may be a high-functioning autist perhaps) but I've repeatedly found autistic people on the internet lacking those types of int. more times than I can count... to different but certain degrees.
| I fucking hate women
| .
| >>1040208
>Your ability to recognise patterns in little shapes on a screen and whatever doesn't translate to functioning well or succeeding in the world.
You're doing a Strawman Fallacy. My argument was about the pattern recognition skills being an advantage, not that they directly translate to success in all areas of life.
| >>1040208
>I have a friend who's in like the top 1% of IQ ...
You make a general statement about your friend who has high IQ and autism struggling with other aspects, then uses that as an example to disprove the effectiveness of IQ in measuring intelligence? This is a hasty generalization and holds no water in real life, my friend.
| >>1040208
On top of that you solely use your own experience and your friend's experience as examples to disprove the effectiveness of IQ, but you don't directly address the argument at hand. This way of argumentation is called an ad hominem fallacy, more specifically the argument from authority fallacy, and is rooted in cognitive biases.
| You introduce your friend's struggles with social interaction and understanding societal structures as a reason to question IQ, but these points are not directly related to the effectiveness of IQ in measuring intelligence. This is also a logical fallacy and is called a red herring.
| >He's good at reading the same thing over and over then remembering the answer for when he needs to put it on a test. That hasn't really helped him outside of Mensa at all
You seriously can't be arguing that being good at memorising things isn't helping your friend in real life? Are you for real? That kind of skill can be applied to basically everything that requires memorisation wtf
| >>1040210
This is a typical false dilemma fallacy. You suggest that academics having intelligence discussions contributes nothing to society, implying that there are only two options: either academics value IQ highly or they contribute nothing to society. In reality, many valuable discussions happen within academics that don't necessarily involve IQ.
| >>1040210
You keep impliying that many skills and types of intelligence are useful in a way that's equal to, or greater than, the value placed on IQ, but you can't provide any evidence or reasoning to support this claim. This is a typical ad populum fallacy. Are you starting to see a pattern with your way of reasoning here? lol
| You compared IQ to social interaction skills, suggesting that they are equivalent, but IQ is a measure of cognitive abilities, not social skills. Hey guess what? There's a name for this kind of logical error too. It's called a false analogy.
| And you can do without emotional language and phrases like "academics having intelligence circle jerks contributes nothing to society" to try to sway the reader, rather than presenting a logical argument. This is just appealing to our emotions and it's, obviously, illogical and wrong.
| >>898696
>>d927fc
If this is the kind of logic you would bring to an intelligence test your grade would've either been an F or at best a C-.
While your communication is clear and easy to understand, you often uses simplistic language and relies heavily on emotional appeals rather than logical reasoning. You also tend to interrupt and change the subject, making it difficult to follow your train of thought. I give your verbal communication skills a 3 out of 10.
| >>898696
>>d927fc
You continually demonstrate a lack of critical thinking skills and often rely on anecdotal evidence rather than solid reasoning. You fail to evaluate the evidence presented to you, instead resorting to personal opinions and assumptions. Your cognitive skills are weakened by your inability to distinguish between relevant and irrelevant information. I rate your cognitive skills a 3 out of 10.
| >>898696
>>d927fc
Your arguments are often superficial and lacks depth. You almost always fail to address the main points raised by me and instead tries to discredit IQ tests based on personal anecdotes and emotional appeals. Your argumentation is weak because it relies on logical fallacies, personal opinions, and a lack of evidence. I rate your argumentation skills a 2 out of 10.
| >>1040054 >>1040208
tl;dr
You need to unfuck yourself and practice critical thinking, to learn to evaluate evidence and reasoning carefully, to consider multiple perspectives and sources before forming an opinion, and to develop some cognitive flexibility so you can learn to adapt and change your thinking based on new information, rather than becoming inflexible and entrenched in your initial opinions. And grow out of the logical fallacies, will you? They're only holding you back.
| >>1040652
I'm also gonna circle back to this post because you claim that your friend is doing some kind of memory-tests at Mensa which leads me to believe that you don't know jack squat of what Mensa is actually about and I question wether or not your friend is actually in the top 1% or even real.
None of the tests presented at a Mensa applications relies on memorisation. In fact, they're designed to eliminate any form of memoisation at all.
| >>1040209
If you somehow get ahold of the test answers and memorise them you are in fact CHEATING. If you're being truthful about your friend, assuming he's real and that he told you he studied answers in order to memorise them for the tests at Mensa then YOUR FRIEND CHEATED ON HIS MENSA TESTS.
People like that don't tend to stick around for too long because it's painfully obvious they're not on the same level as everyone else btw. You simply can't fake intelligence.
| >>1040263
I'm not sure if you're the same person as that other poster or if you simply decided to waltz in after his posting spree and spew the exact same kind of logical errors he did, but I'll bite.
I can count no less than 6 informal fallacies in your post alone which includes an ad hominem attack against autistic people, a hasty generalization based on your web browsing habits(lol), anecdotal evidence, false dichotomy, a potential straw man, and a potential appeal to emotion.
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| My pattern recognition skills and ability to retain useless knowledge are an especial delight. What about you?