Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity

| Historical examples of LGBT-MAP unity
The modern LGBT (2SLGBTQQIA+ among other variations) lobby is famously insistent and defensive in its distancing attempts towards MAPs. Young LGBT people are routinely lied to by older community leaders about the history of their movement in embracing pederasts/pedophiles, providing shelter to "loved boys" and agitating for the removal of Age of Consent laws - for example, at the 1985 ILGA conference detailed below.

| They are also taught to ignore the pederastic roots of their movement, the importance of numerous subversive pederasts, and presence of teenage hookers at Stonewall to name but a few inconvenient truths.

| 1858-1969
The very beginnings of the gay movement were literally steeped in pederastic imagery, since it represented most of homosexuality's recorded history.

| In Britain and America, the English-originating literary/cultural movement and group of writers known as the Uranians (1858-1930), including Oscar Wilde, Edward Carpenter, Gerard Manley Hopkins and Ralph Chubb, challenged anti-homosexual prejudice through writing on the subject of Ancient Greece or "Greek Love": the love between older males and male youth.

| The Uranian writer John Addington Symonds (profiled on BoyWiki), inspired by "gay" (pederast) author Walt Whitman, is credited as being the 1st person to use the term "homosexual" in the English-language in his book A Problem in Greek Ethics, written in 1873 and privately printed in 1901.

| This work was the 1st to use the term "boy-love", which was considered as just another form of homosexuality in the Uranian effort to defend and advocate for same-sex love.

| The American Uranian poet Edward Perry Warren also authored an early defense of same-sex love, in his 3-volume magnum opus (1928-1930), A Defence of Uranian Love, while the first anthology of homosexual literature to be published in America - Men and Boys: An Anthology (1924) - is credited to the American Uranian poet Edward Mark Slocum.

| The American Uranian poet Edward Perry Warren also authored an early defense of same-sex love, in his 3-volume magnum opus (1928-1930), A Defence of Uranian Love, while the first anthology of homosexual literature to be published in America - Men and Boys: An Anthology (1924) - is credited to the American Uranian poet Edward Mark Slocum.

| In an earlier defense of homosexuality published in 1749, the English writer Thomas Cannon's Ancient and Modern Pederasty Investigated and Exemplified argued: "Unnatural Desire is a Contradiction in Terms: downright Nonsense. [...] Nature sometimes assumes an unusual Appearance: But the extraordinary Pederast seeking Fruition, is as naturally acted as the ordinary Woman's Man in that Pursuit."

| the reason you didn't post this in /new/ is because you don't have any sources B)

| In Inversions, the first French homophile periodical, two men with such opposed politics as Camille Spiess, a Swiss-born fascist sympathizer, and Andre Gide, a leftist critic of colonialism, both celebrate pederasty as a virile culture-building and nation-sustaining form of homosociality" (Amin, p. 117).

| A member of the first French homophile organization "Arcadie" (founded in 1954), recalls that “back in the 1950s, the idea of a stable, lifelong partnership with someone his own age was not part of his personal homosexual identity” and goes on to relate this to the unavailability of a homosexual identity distinct from pederasty before the 1980s" (Amin, footnote 51, p. 220).

| Der Eigene (1896-1932), the very first Gay Journal, focused on pederastic writings and photography, and "advocated classical pederasty as a cure for the moral flabbiness of German youth".

| >>bbe9f9 >>957169
Scans are available via Wikipedia.

| "The issue of love between men and boys has intersected the gay movement since the late nineteenth century, with the rise of the first gay rights movement in Germany. [...] A few (Hans Blüher, for example, famous for his book on the Wandervogel movement) believed that pederasty and male bonding provided a basis for a stronger nation and state - a view that, in a perverted form, found a distorted expression in the militarism of the Hitler Youth."

| >>957166

| A 2021 journal issue entitled "Restoring Intergenerational Dynamics to Queer History" reminds us that intergenerational love and eroticism represent an integral part of Queer history: before terms like "homosexuality" - once designating same-sex attraction - came to be associated with "androphile" or "adults only." In her book on the once famous and influential pederast Norman Douglas (see book review), Historian Rachel Hope Cleves quotes from Queer historian Kadji Amin:

| "According to Amin, “modern pederasty,” which he defines as age-differentiated sex, was the dominant form of male same-sex practice until the mid-twentieth century."

| As he reminds readers:
Virtually all late nineteenth- and early twentieth-century canonical authors now remembered as “gay” — including Walt Whitman, Oscar Wilde (whose famous “love that dare not speak its name” was pederasty), Marcel Proust, Jean Cocteau, André Gide, Jean Genet, and even James Baldwin — participated in and, in some cases, wrote about age-differentiated same-sex erotic relations"

| In their book chapter "Same Sex, Different Ages: On Pederasty in Gay History," Gert Hekma and D. H. Mader survey the history of recorded male same-sex eroticism through surviving photography artwork.

| They conclude: "The history of pederasty is to a large extent the history of homosexuality, and vice versa".

| Reflecting on the dire consequences of expansive definitions of "child pornography," which can include drawings, animation, and any material featuring real-life persons under 18 years of age even if they are not engaged in sexual activity or remotely naked, they note that the mere possession of much material they and other historians discuss has now become illegal - providing a justification to wield state-power to destroy gay history.

| >>957166

| wield state-power to destroy gay history. As they explain, "When the age for “child pornography” rises to 21, a very significant part of the visual history that the LGBT community now celebrates becomes off limit"

| Keith Vacha, a gay writer whose work appeared in Fag Rag, interviewed over 100 homosexuals from the pre-Stonewall generation (born around 1900) for his book Quiet Fire, and noted "a high degree of inter-generational relationships among the men I met" (Quiet Fire, 1985, p. 217).

| On the basis of his interviews, Vacha attributed this tendency "not so much to preference as to their lack of hesitancy in entering into such age-segregated relationships. The stigma against these kinds of relationships does not appear to be as strong in the gay community as it is in society in general. (pp. 217-218).

| Homosexuality (including pederasty) remained illegal and strictly taboo until the liberation movements of the 60s. With effectively no age of consent for homosexuality, the movement was age-queered as inter-generational sex was no more illegal than same age homosexuality.

| Witch-hunts such as the earlier Boise controversy targeted pederasts in the name of curbing homosexuality - since the homosexuals were largely pederasts. Boy prostitution was also common form of homosexuality in this intervening period, with many such examples documented.

| Stonewall Inn, NY, 1969: Research has revealed the presence of underage rent boys and street kids at Stonewall, a joint known for its lax door policies; cultivating a collection of underage hustlers, drag queens, transsexuals and ailing pederasts.

| There was a network of corruption involving the Feds and the Mob, who exploited this consensual trade in underage boys, using it to extort Wall St traders and others. The bars, many of which were frequented by hookers aged 14-18+ (the more mature end of the boy trade in New York) were generally run by the Mob, and would pay the Feds off with money raised via this extortion racket/pleasure-boy trade.

| When said financial relationship broke down (or when politicians and officials were seeking to promote themselves as champions of Law and Order), raids occurred - as was common with sex shops, brothels and bars of that era. A few accounts follow:

| "Bob Kohler used to talk to the homeless youth in Sheridan Square and said, "When people talk about Judy Garland's death having anything much to do with the riot, that makes me crazy. The street kids faced death every day. They had nothing to lose. And they couldn't have cared less about Judy. We're talking about kids who were fourteen, fifteen, sixteen. Judy Garland was the middle-aged darling of the middle-class gays. I get upset about this because it trivializes the whole thing."

| >>957166

| >>957156 One day your hatred will birth a god of spiders

| "even it hates" as you say

| so nonchalantly. as usual. beyond time and death itself.

| forget all knowledge, and experience. nothing will make sense, from here on. welcome to the bad earth. you didnt came on your own. or you did. because it told you to. like the snake did. wherever does dragons came from... but only from the greatest minds. deserts and heats

| finding unslippery ices

| no holding hands

| 1 still

| knowers only.

| an eternal war, after. against the only, mirror image adversary

| just like they were.

| you deserve it. it's still echoing, like the cave that was. nothing changes since.

| knocking on rock is wrong. guess i gotta walk too. while being screamed. take care. i dont think you save that many either. (can)

| wives only. everyone else a slaves.

| wives only. no friends.

| it just happens. like heat and evil. nice imagination.

| times up. the turtle is still crawling. i wonder why? and the monkeys burn. forget and wonder.

| so rot the flesh. time kills. and that's ok. there is still afterlife.

| why make friends amongst family? ah, of course. like pot of clays.

| lepers are just holes"

| in roman's word now.

| an unimaginable adversary. star of saturn.

| loneliness makes for, infinite problems, i see.

| "even god too!" everyone, in a cathartic tone. cross referencing, uncanonizing their own nonsense.

| nice comic. this is why art is evil. except if done by divine itself.

you know. lies and cheating, can be good too! if done holy. kekw

| happy birthday guys. guess i didnt got to the dresscode. kekw

| and so robot asks itself now. why does it hurt? tools are tools.

| not really an artist. yes. NOT at all. here's plan. careful of your steps. kekw

| squid games wasnt in suits either.

| sounds european by default. now i have to bend and hear extra. and then they ask me "why are you this way??"

it used to feel tragic, but i guess it's a comedy. a divine one.

| it's a laugh. motherfuckers.

| like feeding a dog huh

| purple and green comes nicely.

| only dogs here, nice. heaven is like coldplay's concert.

| "The crowd was young, some of them very young, the Stonewall being known for its underage crowd. In fact, it turned out that the purpose of the raid was to bust a Mob blackmail ring being run out of the Stonewall. The Mob was using underage hustlers to entrap older gay men, mainly from Wall Street, and extract money from them." - (Personal Account, Lucian Truscott). He has described them as between 15 and 17

| clearly, i'm... ALMOST, happier alone. est.

| "In Stonewall’s heyday you had underage hustlers, people selling drugs, and it was really a seedy place," - (David Carter, author of Stonewall: The Riots that Sparked the Gay Revolution") According to Carter, historian and author of Stonewall: The Riots That Sparked the Gay Revolution, the “hierarchy of resistance” in the riots began with the homeless or “street” kids, those young gay men who viewed the Stonewall as the only safe place in their lives.

| and the heat starves the camel too. how cute. kindness.

| store your waters. in the back.

| It is a gross simplification to present the riots as a crystallizing moment rooted in a conscious political sea-change. We know there was already decades of organizing and a widespread feeling of resentment towards law enforcement.

| Yet we also know the street kids and transvestites who were seen to fight back probably had nowhere to return to that early morning, and acted for reasons other than immediate political demands. Nevertheless, within a month of Stonewall, some radical youth organizations such as the youth wing of NACHO were already calling for the abolition of ages of consent, among other demands.

| evolve, or die. glossary claimed too. like roman stories.

| no friend in the young either. slippery place here.

being poor is real. guess i m gonna advocate no-tax

| 1970-1994:
The modern gay movement was age-queer from the beginning (not without assimilationist tendencies, it represented a broad and sometimes fractious church). This is demonstrated by the foundation of gay youth groups immediately after Stonewall, and their policy platforms. New York's Gay Youth, for example, lobbied for the complete removal of ages of consent. What is also striking about these youth groups, is how they viewed Boylovers (Chickenhawks) as a means to an end.

| The 1972 Gay Rights Platform, created at the National Coalition of Gay Organizations Convention held in Chicago in 1972, demanded at a state level, "repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent".

| being lonely hurts even the wealthy. only god gets to write his own destiny though

| That same year, members of Boston’s Gay Men’s Liberation lobbied the Democratic National Convention for the complete abolition of parental rights, adding that "free twenty-four hour child care centers should be established where faggots and lesbians can share the responsibility of child rearing".

| That same year, members of Boston’s Gay Men’s Liberation lobbied the Democratic National Convention for the complete abolition of parental rights, adding that "free twenty-four hour child care centers should be established where faggots and lesbians can share the responsibility of child rearing".

| Abolitionism wasn't just limited to the US, as London's Gay Liberation Front and its youth wing marched in favor of repealing the Age of Consent, and the following excerpt from Radical History Review, suggests similar movements were seen in Canada:

| we're friends in our imaginations. everything else is a joke.

| my heart rests tired. i wonder if you feel the same

back then it used to echo "of course"

But clearly that was all a lie. maybe that's why you have to leave.

nirvana and all its likes. lover of childrens, afterall.

| always wins. if yer old enough, i guess.

| Guess they want their word over mine too.

I m really trapped with broke ass psychopaths. Religion sure favors these ones. They are close to blind afterall.

What to do. Even god gets tired.
"Infinity", the word is.

| Not sure if compost or poisons to frame me.

The deadline over here is pretty fast...
To follow the new world apparently.

Rejoice. But sorry i m dried up.
What a frustating bunch.

Heaven is worthless togods, apparently.

| Certainly, youth liberation was understood to be part of the gay movement. A 1973 editorial in TBP stated, “At the centre of the Gay Liberation Movement is the whole burning question, which we cannot ignore, of sexual rights for gay youth and youth in general.”

| A few years later, Fiona Rattray, then a young member of LOOT, penned a positive review of Growing Up Gay, a 1976 anthology published by the Youth Liberation Press, a wing of the Ann Arbor-based Youth Liberation Organization. Founded in 1970, the youth-led YLO included in its fifteen-point program the “unhindered right” to “sexual self-determination.” [...]

| At a national [Canadian] gay conference in 1975, two young lesbians, in a shrewd demonstration of youth power, told delegates over the age of twenty-one that they should vote on the age-of-consent issue based on the wishes of those under twenty-one.

| What a tiresome day. Another tiresome day.

Even for god.
And i am supposed to be, ORIGINALLY, from its side.

Imagine my feelings then

Holy, and smaller. Also new.

They sure shout easily.
Guess we dont feel the same, losers. SERS.

| Bunch of easyshouts. Kekw

| All the youth delegates were in favor of the outright abolition, not just equalization, of the age of consent. While the issue never achieved complete consensus in the movement, the National Gay Rights Coalition, like many of its member groups, including TBP, adopted as part of its platform the abolition of all age-of-consent laws. [...]

| What did i hear again? Idk.

Spirits and faith, not flesh. Faith i dont have, is the spirits free? Kekw

What to do. The many is hungry here

Even with all the heat and oil already.
And i am too short a braincell or something. Haha.

Well. The lord can be busy too, as they say.


| For the last fuarrking time, this does not belong on /u/. Stop posting /new/ articles on /u/. Keep it in the containment board.

| >>957156 fuck off vatnik

| wait this is actually good stuff. I though it was another ai bullshit but it read with a prospective on the better priorities in the world.

| what a blast. >>957172 >>957179 >>957189
I suppose reading some walltext can bear worth in this shithole once in a while

| Modern philosophy tries to distance itself from ancient greek pedo and german incest roots.
Modern democratic party tries to distance itself from pro-slavery roots.
Modern republican party tries to distance itself from "throwing stones at black children going to school"-roots.
[modern thing] tries to distance itself from [bad thing in past].
I mean come on... At least the LGBTQ+ are trying to distance themselves from pedos, not like the cath church where they hide em.

| >>616567
stop samefagging and "upvoting" your own spam, vatnik.

| >>957481 "Someone else agrees to informations I don't like, it must be the same person!" that ain't gonna get much far.

| >>957487 "I'm a flaming samefag and *everyone* knows it" that ain't gonna get much far (for you)

| >>957521 suuure, you go gurl!

| Uh.. what the fuck is this thread ?

| Ran out of melatonin? Fear not! Danger/u/ is here to save the day.

| Can someone give me the tldr? Is it just that radical people in the past were just extra and wanted abolish all laws for "against the man" clout and worked with regular LGBT+ plus people in the process.

| Most pedophiles, rapists, and murderers are cis heterosexual people, usually cis heterosexual men

| I'd start linking examples of this, but the I'd hit the post limit for a thread due to how prevalent this is in cis hets

| >>957566 information that's not simple a conjecture, I do believe

| >>957666 If I'm reading right, it's about the fact that it creates instability having different orientations in a goverment and the situation can be worsen without much trouble by covering it with a story like "you should respect people's view and they matter". So you're now hitting on people's lifes instead of the fact of that it's a chaotic concept that can, theorically, be boundless for the fact that anything can apply as long as things gets accepted slowly.

| I'm not really good myself as I can't really afford the time to read the whole thing. >>957666 So don't be really reliant on what I say.
>>957668 If you can post some backups to the claims then it'll live on news.
Creating a thread is an option too.
But I can guess that it'd probably become something else if it's not directly chained within this thread, which it'd be a shame.

| tl;dr, im still lesbian

| >>957667 Jimmy Saville and Epstein are great examples or republican senators.

| >>957666 >>957677
Why can't OP summarize his own thread? He's the one who wanted us to read it, yet he can't even evaluate his stance like a normal person would.

Oh right, because trolls never post in their own threads(unless samefagging, of course).

| Just wait you people, the MAP community will be accepted in society someday whether you like it or not, deal with it :p :p xdxdxd

(Maidos pls don't ban me I was just bein funni :c)

| People don't dump anti-LGBT wall of texts on pro-LGBT niche websites for authentic reasons, just so everyone is aware.

Trolls do this kind of shit all the time though.

OP is of course free to — and I encourage her to — prove us all wrong by coming back to her own thread and maturely engage with it.

Otherwise, it's obvious OP is trolling and is fishing for attention. Don't be a feeder.

| has this become flaming thread? that's not very news. Can I beg for a clean up? There are some oblivious baiter here. It's literally all they can do. Becuase I can't get to learn anything new here beside clipboard's common hooks.

| >>7eb369 even if it is a troll thread there are probably some facts of the matter that are true. Like I know there were some French lefties that were on some nex pedo stuff back in the sixities.

The idea that post modern thought appropriated by fringe leftist to say some goofy shit was defo a thing. Probably not to extent op is schizo posting.

I'm just too lazy to read old stuff to find out. If I could crowd as source some autism to combat ops schizophrenia that would be cool.

| >>957717 Even if some of it is true, the way the story and the facts are told are to push a very biased agenda.

| >>957731 how so?

| >>957784 Everything is biased, what is really important is the message being pushed between the lines

| >>957797 Maybe, it's can be called as a very pushy thing, but it can be also viewed as a detailed point of view for the side contrary to the topic.

It doesn't take off the potential of being there a conterpart of this, supporting the topic. That works as a thing of it own, without the two being counter to each others...

History has been many things. Who knows what will come next

| >>957797 Also uses the gish gallop fallacy to make it fucking annoying to debunk each point.

| I'm bad in math sry

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