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gonna be honest
| Omnipilled over here
| how about we just nuke literally everything.
| >>935702 I mean with Zelenski being such a well received president, I have no doubt Nazism is on the drop. And they'll probably try to distance themselves from it anyways with how much Pitler is using it as an excuse for invading.
| >be jewish
>be the most loved president/leader of its country's history, ever
>smallbrains thinks the country is anti-jewish
>this is your brain on propaganda.exe
| Weak, I support Ukraine *because* I support 'nazis'
| >>935721
ukraine is a century old and Zelensky being a popular president has nothing to do with policy and yknow the myriad other politicians that rose to power following maidan. baby level reasoning
>>935783
i oppose you but i respect you being honest about it, now face the wall
| >>935720
no it really isnt
i dont know why you people have such a puerile view of politics. were you raised on the west wing??
zelensky was chosen because he was to many the best of some shit choices and he was expected to bring detente with Russia without capitulating the way Yanukovych had been accused of. he enjoys assent from the broader public because he's an inoffensive and already well known personality synonymous w national identity, like Reagan--
| >>935720
and because he has facilitated the purging of the old guard and a ton of democratic processes while facilitating the rise of the reactionary right and open nationalist and nazi parties, purely as reaction to Russia. meanwhile he fumbled the NATO bag at the same time & escalated to this point
also Pitler is a dogshit capitalist autocrat but its disingenuous & frankly historically gross to equate him w Hitler, particularly if you dont have the same energy calling out Ukraine
| >>935721
he was not that loved before the war right ? People elected him because he was not corrupted like all of the older presidents and people had a lot of optimism, but they realized he was placed by the same guy behind the previous president.
| >>935898
???
what is wrong w you. lmao in my OP I disavow Russia and say I hope they burn themselves down during this war. the fact you are calling again a decade of coverage of rising nazism in Ukraine from western sources ranging from the US to Europe is not a suitable response. its a cope you use to negate any further thought or argument so you can stonewall entire people off as "bots". you're a fucking child screaming "THE GAME IS CHEATING! HACKS!" at the tv
| >>935911
no he was very beloved he was a well known comedian and tv star/personality. i dont blame the people for electing him given the circumstances tbh. the fact is Ukraine has not been in a good or solid place politically or economically for years, and the west using it as a pawn bulwark against Russia is what exacerbated this mess
| >>935916 I'm being very serious. I follow the military side, but I haven't really paid too much attention on the political side except for western propaganda hit pieces on the Russian oligarchy, so I know even less about Ukraine.
| >>935941
okay. well basically Ukraine has been in a tenuous position for like...a while. They have subsisted by being like the 6th biggest grain producer globally and w some other nat resources. the issue is economically they've never had the best hold and due to their placement between Europe and the former USSR were never really allowed to join a coalition with either.
| >>935941
however theres been a growing push for Ukraine join NATO & the EU for everything from protections to economic growth. zelensky was expected to facilitate this without pissing off Russia or losing out on the gas pipeline deal. instead he bearbaited, caused the gas deal to be put in jeopardy since Russia has allied with huge Asian markets including the oil heavy Iran, and thereby forced the EUs and NATOs hands in a constantly escalating conflict that could have been mediated
| >>935941
and this is all tangled up itself in decades of simmering ethnic tensions that boiled to a head from 2014 onwards as Ukraine engage in a civil war justified purely by the rhetoric that the people living on the eastern end were "ethnically Russian".
however we slice it, its strange how quickly we mindholed an ongoing pogrom because there was a full military escalation
| >>afa226 I'm sure Zelenski probably used some anti Russian rhetoric to distance himself from Yanukovych and that probably fueled Russia's aggression, but wasn't it Pitler's own fault that he invaded Ukraine and caused sanctions to be put on Russia?
Also, weren't there already separatists movements in Donetsk and Luhansk? I can imagine Ukrainians started it though by attempting to ethnically cleanse Russians and prevent another Crimea.
| so what's the endgame, russia did this in order that Ukraine don't steal it's energy business with europe, which is the only thing russia has, but are they going prevent this for eternity ?
| >>936002 oh yeah I forgot about that. Russia was threatened by Ukraine's massive oil reserves in the eastern oblasts and the black sea. It sounds kind of impossible for Ukraine to join a western alliance without aggravating Russia with that.
| Sometimes i miss old times of capitalism
| >>935982
oh we absolutely agree invading Ukraine was all around The Wrong Move and everyone is paying the price now
the issue is that Ukraine nationalists are Big On nationalism and also the not unprovable possibility that this is a veiled third step to Russia taking more territory. but the rhetoric is indeed that those separatists are ethnically Russian
| >>936002
either both nations collapse and fall prey to capitalist jackals (Ukraine faring better becoming an EU protectorate), Ukraine gets slowly steamrolled, or WW3 happens
im sure to Pitler ideally its number 2 butttt...the best laid plans
| >>936087 I mean, there was that sham referendum some time ago, so I think it's pretty much confirmed this is an attempted land grab.
| Ukraine is geographically a good piece of land to own from a battle strategics perspective. It makes sense that it's be fought over. Whoever comes out on top will put them at a strategic advantage for any future conflict. This is a battle over the geographical region itself. The oil in it is just an added bonus.
| Just be glad you weren't born there. (T_T)
| People in Russia and Ukraine wanted Capitalism instead of Socialism. Now they can enjoy imperialism and nationalism as it's highest stage - again. Shall they kill each other for empty promises of liberty and glory until they eventually remember why there once was the great october socialist revolution.
| >>936186
You can be both capitalist and socialist, it's not communism. Socialism is about having govt medical insurance, not deleting the private property concept.
| >>20a97e this lmao.
like i agree with op? but if the people of the former ussr didn't want imperialism, they could've reformed away from it. instead they just changed the "economic" system from one type of robbery to another. you reap what you sow lmfao
| it reminds me a lot of what happened under reagan
they defunded the federal government and twenty, forty years later they're scratching their heads as to why the federal government can't provide the services it used to be able to provide
actions have consequences
a lack thereof even more so
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| fuck russia because its run by a bunch of reactionary oligarch assholes but i sincerely fucking hope they wipe the ukrainian state off the map
the amount of revision, apologia for nazism, and outright zealotry ive seen really says it all. let them eat each other and i really hope ukraine gets fucked because its almost cartoonish how we went from a decade of open coverage of open nazism in the country to handwaving it away because somehow "russkie worse". unfathomable