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Ukrain can win the war?

| I see how Ukraine liberated the Kiev Region and going to donbass. This is a win?


| No one wins in war


| Realistically, if Russia keeps up with it's military blunders, Ukraine slowly everyday gains a chance to win.

With how much information is coming about either Ukrainians defending urban areas, assaulting conveys that carry vital resources to support troops (etc.) and now the re-focus of Russian troops into the declared separatist areas-Ukraine will most likely now deal with intense, concentrated fighting in these regions.


| (Cont.)

Another thing not to underscore is the imense support of the international community from both military and civilian sectors of the war. The E.U and NATO- or more aptly put the west are providing Ukraine with both the means to defend itself and at least maintain what civilian life remains.

Overall, there are a lot of factors. We still cannot underestimate Russia even if it continues to make errors. Right now, the continued support of Ukraine is the best course of action


| (Final.)

But then again, what do I know? I'm just a civilian. There are better people in the sectors of war that are giving far better analysis than what I can 10 minutes before class.

I might end up posting some of the seminars I've been listening to so you too can develop your own thoughts from them or otherwise do your own research from the situation.


| OP who posted the huge amounts of text:
If anyone is still interested in those seminars, I'll be posting the titles.

These can all be found on YouTube, although I just use New pipe since it's more convenient.

War in Ukraine - Johns Hopkins Live Briefing - March 30, 2022

Panel on Russian invasion of Ukraine

Strategic Talks: The War in Ukraine - Military-Strategic Implications


| (Cont.)

The Russian Way of Warfare
(this video dates back to 2018 - and I haven't fully finished it, but it brings insights to the western perspective of the capabilities of the Russian military then from what I understood)


| Non-seminar videos:

These videos were one of the first I came about when it came to Ukraine now, and although they may not be presented by professors or professionals and/or in institutes, I believe they are still worthy of listening to:

“The Bear Trap” – The War in Ukraine Explained: 1 Month into the Russian Invasion

Be careful drawing conclusions from the Ukraine combat videos

Drones in Ukraine - lessons for other countries

Ukraine 2: Electric Butthole Glue



| Thanks for the info g/u/rl


| Thanks!


| >>849868
Weapons industry, autocrats and demagogues and political-economical elites win wars. And those who make money through letting rebuild everything afterwards are winners of war too. Only the majority average people don't win wars as long they die and kill each other for artificial/imaginated things like gods, nations or races.


| don't buy everything you read online, this is prime propaganda time. I find it hard to believe a nation like Russia could bumble an invasion this badly on a far smaller, less equipped and (prolly) trained army. what me and my buddies are thinking rn is Russia will win, but they'll be fighting tooth and nail for every inch they take.


| >>850657 yeah, looks like it. It's not being an easy run for Russia


| The progression of troops is being complicated by many different factors and resistance is strong, but the troops keep on going forward. Also Russia doesn't spare money on this war, so it's really hot for the ukranian forces


| >>850657 Afghanistan? Vietnam?


| >>850686 these are far eastern countries while Ukraine is european. The people are different in these countries. It's widely known, for example, that multiple leaders of ISIS, including the main ones, were liquidated multiple times by different international forces. And yet again isis exists. It's because of the eastern mentality.


| Also, Afghanistan. USA occupied it for 20 fucking years, and AS SOON as they drawn their forces away, the afghanis conquered the whole fucking country. Why? That's right, because of the eastern mentality.


| The Vietnamese also could organise the ever-living resistance, because asians can fight for a whole month having only 1 bowl of rotten rice per week, lol


| Ukraine can eat dirt


| eat pant


| >>03818b what do you even mean by eastern mentality? If you're going to be throwing words around, at least explain your reason for choosing them. I'm not so pretentious to say all humans are the same, but in the context of war, all I see is the 'mentality' of a people displeased with foreign occupation. I at first agreed with you about the hardiness of Asians even, but I also think the generational memory of the holodomor is still strong.


| >>850736 asians for generations have been organised by their social system. Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese -- most of them. They are incredibly hard working by european measures, just like mules, so, when it comes to war, asian soldiers seem to fight with inhuman prejudice


| The arabs are kind of a different story. History has shown that they tend to have low organised armies, which, even if are big and well-equiped, seem to be able to fuck up major war events because of stupid shit. But their resistance groups are other story -- they are organised this way that no matter how many of their fighters and even commanders you kill they keep fighting for decades. Their tactics is constantly adapting, so they keep being effective


| at guerilla war, at least


| >>03818b
racist bullshit...


| Nah, I think Ukraine is capable of winning, if we consider winning denying Russia any land gains.

For the last 7 years Ukraine's military has been trained by the US. And while that didn't work in Afghanistan, Ukraine has the national spirit to actually use the training, and it has been showing in how badly russia's been having its face bloodied.

The only way i see Russia 'winning' is by using the sort of weaponry that will make them even more of a global pariah.


| Pitler believes they don't need a world that doesn't need Russia? He seems damned determined to build that world.


| >>850827
His assumed causes are wrong, but the effects are accurate. Afghanistan still is very much a tribal society, not a nationalist one. As a result the army wasn't willing to stand and fight for the nation when the US left them to it.

It's a cultural thing, not a racial thing. Every race has been like that at some point in history.


| >>850827 lol, no.


| >>850829 russian casualties are high, but they're not near to critical.


| >>850832
Most nations have tribalistic elements in it. The reason the afghan army and nation has low spirit is because they were nothing but MASSIVE corrupt puppets that only could get into power because they serve the USAs interests.


| >>850344 no shit, how else would they profit.

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