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How Russia sees the world
| You can't escape outside[Russia] because it's the same and also worse. Scary gays are roaming the streets of Europe and America. But Russia will protect you from them, loyal citizen. The state is looking out for the morale of the nation. Family values. You get it.
So, everything is the same as Russia (corrupt, unified and ruled by a stern hand) and infinitely worse because it also corrupts your soul (gays, atheism, feminists, ethnic minorities, etc).
| Described in this terms, the choice of the average man: Russia isn't the worst option.
So there is very limited space of ideas here to work with. Because of this trick we get the notion that some public institutions work is unfathomable to Russians. Everything has to be a mafia state. They are just pretending they are not. Only the Russians see through this deception.
| Because I was interested in politics since a very young age I've watched the downfall of public institutions with my own eyes until at the age of 25 when I left the country. One thing that really struck me was when someone I know asked me what the separation of the branches of government means. And when I explained to them they asked why because they just didn't understand the concept growing up in Putin's Russia.
| No free press, no free assembly, no property rights because there is no independent court... It's hard to understand when you live in an actual functioning democracy that it's a fucked up system. It wasn't always like that. I remember that it was not.
Of course they used to go trough the motions at first but now it's basically rule by decree. There is no law because there is no real court. But they keep passing repressing laws to intimidate you. To keep you from protesting.
| They will find a way to prosecute you because there is no real court, they don't have to prove anything, they will apply the law that was written to allow for the widest and wildest interpretations of meaning that anyone can be guilty of at least something.
Russia was kind of soft fascism until recently. A good place to live if you had money and didn't care about the repressive state eroding fledgling public institutions. Didn't care about arrests.
| Now the standard of living going to drop significantly. And it was already in decline.
And yesterday they said that anti war statements or any kind of assistance to Ukraine is going to be considered treason. You can't even be against the war. It is fascism, it is a right wing nationalist dictatorship with military ambitions and a penchant for ethnic cleansing.
| There wasn't almost no place for dissent. Now there is none. You can't even be against the war. Full fascism, literally. There is no other way to put it, the totality of the ideology is now complete. Even the basic concept of being against the war is now treason.
Oh, and one last thing. Russians don't want to accept that Russia is a fascist state because they don't like the label. Being fascist is good but being called one is cringe.
| They believe that they are actually liberators and anti fascist. They helped defeat the Nazis. 77 years ago.
Naturally they think that anyone opposed to them must be a fascist or a Nazi (if they don't like Russians for what Russians did to them). Enter Ukrainians, a nation that opposes Russian forced assimilation. Ukrainians are called Nazis for opposing the Russian imperialist project.
| Some Ukrainian Nazis do exist but have no bearing on policy and are extremely unpopular, 2% parliamentary vote.
Fascist Russian state charges the entire nation with a crime of being Nazis and denies Ukrainians right to exist. Pure projection. Obsession with one that got away.
| They talk about brotherly peoples. But it's simply a lie. Russian people are the big brother and little brothers have to listen to him or some genocide is gonna happen. We're family, just don't mention the threats and the meddling in elections, propaganda wars trough state outlets.
| To summarize: Russians see themselves as victims of the violence they are committing themselves.
Their inferiority complex is based on the fact that big boy imperialists weren't taking them seriously enough.
| Russian people who take offense when any other language is used in public except for Russian believe themselves to be paragons of anti fascism. They are scapegoating their fascism away projecting it on the formerly subjugated people. They just can't take it. They demand to be liked.
They are the good guys, fighting against the fascism of the gays, the feminists, minorities, former imperial possessions, etc.
| Don't upset Russian feelings by talking about past genocides and discrimination. It's unseemly. Nobody is discriminated now, people just don't like Central Asians, people from Caucasus, Asians, anyone else except Russians. Actually, it's the Russians who are opressed by minorities.
Russians are insulted by the concept of learning a different language. Russian language is always under threats in former provinces.
| I wonder why, people might want to get back to their roots and take the language that was erased and taken from them.
No. It offends the Russians.
Therefore the Russian world must be restored. The glorious empire to strike fear in the heart of the enemies of the Motherland.
And there are plenty: Ukrainians, Jews, gays, feminists, Europeans, Americans, Chinese, everyone in this fucking world.
And this is how they see it.
| Tbh this sort of imperialistic mindset and victim-projection can be applied to the conservatives of most nations, such as the hardline republicans of the US or the followers of the CCP's one China policy. The real problem is that these governments keep letting these people influence politics because every country has a subconscious imperialistic ambition, it's just that these countries' supposed status as world powers allows them to act upon it.
| >>837348 can confirm the victim projection. I live in a country with majority muslim population and the conservatives scream everytime their right to trample minority gets reduced/hindered; asking more right/privilege because they are the majority.
But when muslim minority in other countries gets discriminated, they lashes out and demand equal right.
| >>837348 >>837372
Not gonna lie, while reading this I started to get a familiar feeling in the back of my head and y'all kinda pointed it out.
Guess its true that regardless of the nation or culture, or even religion, totalitarianist thinking is roughly the same and roughly recognizable.
| Insane how close this matches America
| >>0115b5
There's only one poster on this board who shoe-horns his "every country is imperialistic"-nonsense down everyones throats and it's that you pro-kremlin troll.
Claiming the Norhern countries to be imperialistic, for example, is just... no. It's fucking ridicilous.
Followed by two "other" people who show up in a dead thread only to agree with you(and somehow the Kreml propaganda at the same time) all in the span of under 3 minutes is kinda obvious.
LOL
| tl;dr
>Russian propaganda is based on the worldview that everything outside Russia is absolutely the same
>First 3 "posters": Look how same and totalitarian we are!
| >>837852 3rd poster here, and my Ip will keep changing because I'm from 3rd world shithole country with shitty internet.
I am very much pro ukraine, and will be celebrating if putin meets hitler's ending. I don't agree with everything that OP posted. But the 2nd poster posted a good reply and I felt the need to provide examples from different persepective, other than from the two superpowers like US and China.
| I've been here for more than 2 years, mainly posted in /v/ and /d/.
Only lurk in /new/ because of the war.
| mfw accused of samefagging when pointing out that Trumptards act the same way as Putin.
| No pro-kremlin trolls are welcomed here.
War is bad, period.
I also think that the Russians should've been more careful of their own country, how could they let this happen to themselves?
Now Russia is gonna be a fucked shithole.
| Don't try to understand Russia OP. If you're not russian, you will be blamed as putin troll.
All you need to know now:
Russia=Enemy of all people in the wold
Everyone who says something different is a kremlin spy...
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| A short thread on my understanding of Mainstream Russian political discourse. It pertains to the nature of how Russians understand how countries are supposed to work and how they actually work.
Russian propaganda is based on the worldview that everything outside Russia is absolutely the same but in the same time way worse. This is very important. It is pure projection but it is also bad projection.
Russian agitpop has a very specific flair of despair to it.