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Russian government operatives just bombed a kindergarten in Eastern Ukraine
| And you better believe the western world are arming the Ukrainian military with whatever weapons they can lay their hands on. Nothing says spreading freedom like killing a few thousand Russian soldiers and their mercenary stooges in Donbas and Luhansk.
It's why over 3,000 Russian soldiers are dead. And with more people like this Ukrainian soldier killing Russian soldiers every chance she gets, the count will only keep climbing.
| Ukrainian badass:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17547128/moment-hero-female-ukrainian-sniper-shoots-russian-separatists-dead/
Thousands of unmarked graves for Russian soldiers:
https://glasnostgone.org/2019/06/03/satellite-images-mass-unmarked-graves-in-occupied-ukraine/
Bombed kindergarten:
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/ukraine-latest-kindergarten-attack-donbas-pro-russian-forces-false-flag-b983100.html
| >>833485
Maybe the UK will move troops back into Ukraine. They previously said they were going to pull them all out.
| Of course it's a false flag operation. It's not like it's the first time Putin did something like this. They've even done it to their own people.
| For those who aren't aware, in 1999 Russian operatives planted bombs and set off explosions in four apartment blocks in their own fucking country, killing innocent civilians. They blamed Chechen and used it as an excuse to start the second Chechen war.
A fifth bomb was found and defused, and the 3 actors who planted it were arrested by local police, but were released the following day when it turned out they were Russian Federal Security agents.
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings
| What the fuck.
mfw this turns out to be true. Other media is reporting it but they're sticking it in other articles instead of reporting about it directly.
https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-russia-ceasefire-frays-nursery-bomb-allegation-other-claims-1680206
https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2022-02-17/russia-ukraine-disinformation-campaign
| >>833502 Jesus Christ... It's like that one meme where the guy shoves a stick into the spokes of their bike and gets hurt, and blames someone else instead
| How evil Russia can get? Very evil it seems.
| Friend from Ukraine telling me they're already blaming Ukraine and are 'evacuating' the rest of the civilians to the neighboring oblast (forgot the name).
| I hope this doesn't turn out to be the start of another world war or something like that :\
| >>833501
>Of course it's a false flag operation. It's not like it's the first time Putin did something like this. They've even done it to their own people.
When and where?
Plus the USA aren't that infamous for performing false-flag operations too...
| >>833502
Please stop spreading conspiracy theories. These western double standards regarding russia are really annoying, even for someone who doesn't agree with putins policy.
Also if you take a closer look, the alternatives to Putin, which are popular in western media and think tanks, are equally rotten or even more worse than putin. Nawalny is no saint. If he was in power, it would be putin that would be poisened and exiled to siberia. This is sad russian political culture.
| And as far as I know it's pro russian separatists and Ukraine are blaming each other. A gentle reminder that russian media isn't the only one which can't be trusted. Just remember the Iraq war. When the US and UK secret services made up things to legitimate an invasion, it was taken by western media and politicians as facts. And it had no consequences for all of them, when it came out.
| >>834222
No one is denying that the US has done some shitty things. But that's irrelevant. We aren't discussing the US invading Ukraine.
We're discussing Russia doing it.
| >>807d3f
>Yeah, ignorance is always a good way to solve problems...
If the problem is a troll trying to sidetrack every discussion that doesn't align with his pro-russian propaganda, then yes, ignoring him(you) is actually a very solution-oriented take on his(your) bullshit.
| OP believes whatever power wants him to believe. Cause war won't affect him much. That's all there is.
| Thanks for the bump!
| War, war is never good.
| >>834340
Nah, I'm pretty sure OP was Ukrainian. I think there's more g/u/rls in this thread than you think.
| >>834277
The USA didn't invade the ukraine, but they are still involved with a clear anti-russian policy. The coup-d'etat against jakunowitch was supported and financed by pro-US NGOs.
Don't believe this is about idealistic values like freedom or souvereignity. The USA only want to sell their shitty fracking gas to europe which leads to a interest conflict with russian gas companies. Russian economy is stumbling and the NATO will take opportunity like they did in Yugoslavia.
| >>834310
So anything which isn't pro-ukrainian propaganda is pro-russian propaganda? Things aren't that easy. Tell me why should one trust the Ukraine/USA/NATO/west more than Russia? Because russia is evil? Because russians are always portrayed as villains in hollywoods cold-war propaganda? Have you been under a rock the last decades? How can you ignore all the lies and cries done by NATO members?
| >>83440
Sure. I'd even go so far as agreeing with you on the natural gas issue. Gods know they drilled enough wells around here.
But do you think that justifies Russia bombing a kindergarten?
Say what you will about the US. We at least *try* to avoid killing kids.
It happens, war is ugly. But we don't specifically target them.
| Also, there's more separation between US corporations & the government than there is in Russia. Don't make the mistake of conflating the two
| well someone has taken the fucking cold-war era Murica vs Russia bait. goodbye this thread
| >>834416
>But do you think that justifies Russia bombing a kindergarten?
No it doesn't. The thing is that there is no proof that russia bombed a kindergarden. Pro-russian separatists and ukrainian army blame each other.
This kind of allegation reminds me of the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony So it wouldn't be the first time the USA trigger a war with this kind of actions...
| >>834419
I don't agree. In both countries there is a politically powerful oligarchy which is very tightly connected structurally and personally with political institutions. Maybe in different ways, and in russia with a more authoritarian estate, but in the end its both plutocracies. Elections are just show. If they would really change something about this circumstances, they would be forbidden.
| >>834434
the conflict between the the anglophone hegemony (GB and USA) and russia goes back to a time before cold war. I suggest to read the novel "Kim" by Rudyard Kipling (it's the author of the jungle book). In geopolitical discourses this long ongoing anglo-russian confrontation is called "the great game".
| >>834441
>there's no proof
Have you ever heard of the saying "If the shoe fits(, wear it)"?
It means that if something (typically negative) applies to one, one should acknowledge it or accept responsibility or blame for it.
Considering Russia has a VERYFIED history of doing shit like this, even to their own people, it's not far fetched to believe that they're the ones behind this attack as well. It certainly makes more sense than your listed alternatives.
| >>372bf2
By the way, we know it's you. >>807d3f >>372bf2
We've told you before. You're not as anonymous as you think you are.
Everyone else, read these links and learn how to respond to this faggot everytime he tries to derail every discussion that doesn't align with his pro-russian propaganda.
https://www.truthorfiction.com/how-to-fight-disinformation-part-iii-distraction/
https://www.truthorfiction.com/how-to-fight-disinformation-part-i-firehosing/
| >>834467
Putin once made an interesting comment on the Iraq war in 2003:
"If I was the Americans, I would find Sadams weapons of mass destruction"
Today we know the USA made everything up just to get their foot into this region. This is VERIFIED. Also there is a long and VERIFIED history of false flag operations done by the USA (e.g. tonkin incident). And the russian appartment bombings are NOT verified as russian inside job. It's only a theory.
| >>834415 >>834490
To the faggot: the situation is simple. Putin invades Crimea, fucks around with the rebels, then dares open his faggot mouth about being guaranteed national security.
Also, russian troll farms are a thing, so your opinion is already inherently discredited.
| >>834493
Western trollfarms are also a thing. The news and most politicians aren't objective regarding this topic. If you have an opinion, which is does not allign with the USA/NATO thinktanks, you are blamed as treacherous "russia-understander" or "putin-lover".
Fact is: The NATO members, most prominent the USA, where a major driver in destabilizing entire regions and interventioning with all means leaving nothing but chaos and destruction - before, but even after the cold war.
| >>834576
My man.
There aren't troll farms in the west. That'd be a Hella nice way to make money if they existed. But no, all this ragging and hate towards Russian imperialism is just legitimately how westerners feel.
| >>834582
How does ones sexual orientation relate to the topic?
Western "trollfarms" are more heterogeneous and private than in russia. The reason is, that western societies have more powerful private institutions than public ones. And the few influential public institutions have massive democracy issues (e.g. NATO or the EU). Politicians and Media people assoiciated with this institutions in politics in media are massively overepresented, while critical voices face smear campaigns.
| And there is criticism that is totally justified which is silenced with killer arguments like the intentional misidentification as "putin troll".
It's a fact that some members of the EU and NATO increasingly suffer from simmiliar problems that are portrayed as exlusively russian ones (authotarianism, militarism, nationalism, corruption, mass surveillance) which illustrates clear the double standards in western media. The same counts for the destructive interventionism by the USA.
| Regarding western trolls:
Just look who owns and runs the most influential media companies and how they are associated with the NATO and partially even with ultraconservative to right-extremist networks, which has a long historical tradition. Propaganda was neither invented by communists or russians.
Political leaders like George W. Bush, Trump, Orban, Erdogan, Kaczynski we had (or still have, or may have again) are as problematic with questionable policies as Putin in Russia.
| >>834608
Once again, faggot, the situation is simple: you've got a country's people deciding based on democratic consensus that they prefer the west to russia, putinshit, aka. term limits magician, oligarch lofty, hitman-sender, novichkok splurter, bunker-mansion bob, election fraudster putin, sees this and decides fuck your democracy we're gonna force your hand with military power & invasion.
And then fagman comes along and dares open his mouth about the west being authoritarian.
| I just remember during the second finance and banking crisis in europe in 2009, western media propaganda managed successfully to portray this systemic crisis as a specific failure of greek people beeing lazing and living on cost of others. It was the birth lie of many far-right extremist parties in europe, which are used to directly fight left movements while also serving to delegitimize criticisim on systemic issues for broader masses.
| >>834610
>you've got a country's people deciding based on democratic consensus that they prefer the west to russia
This is not how things where and are. Only in the western part of ukraine majorities decided it. In most parts of the east most prominent the Crimea, Donetsk and Luhansk majorities where different - always. Their voices where ignored by the pro-western majorities in the west, which also came up with questionable allies and leaders (fascists and corrupt oligarchs)
| >>834610
And again, what does my sexual orientation have to do with the topic? Are you homophobe or what? Is this the liberal, progressive values pro-EU/NATO/west ukrainians are supposed to stand for?
| >>834613
I note that you consider democracy to be fascist. Very interesting.
Tell me, how democratic is putin? What about oligarchy, any of that in russia?
Fucking vatnik
>>834614
LOL
| >>834615
Democracy isn't facist. But bourgois democracy is open to facism as soon as the political-economic status quo is threatened (e.g. by socialists/communists). How did hitler get in power? Was it evil fascists which forced the majority with military force into fascism, or was he democratically elected and supported by other democratical parties?
| >>834615
Putin is not democratic and everything he said about ukraine in his last speech also applies to "his" russia. I know that. I am no putin fan. But I'm no USA/NATO fan either. It's just two sides of the same shitty coin to me.
| >>834619
Have you ever, at any fucking point in time, realized there was a communist revolution in Germany, widespread misery/poverty, a fucking orgy of degeneracy in places like Berlin, and people shooting each other in the streets?
At any point, faggot?
The Germans saw what commie victory meant from the evil that was happening in the Soviet union, and were like it's either that or the New guy, so fuck it let's go.
You know nothing, not surprising for a commie putinka cocksucker
| And it's unmasking how any critical opinion towards the west/nato/eu/ukraine is now framed as "pro putin". I like russia and the russian people, just like all other people in other places. I just don't get why they want to die for stupid nationalist (or religious) ideas that don't really matter instead of fighting the actual problems.
| >>834622
We are talking about armed conflict. If you fight against one team, you fight for the other team. Why do you talk?
>>834624
The actual problem is a literal russian invasion coming up, and you playing all like "Ehm Im sure both sides are to blame, nice people on both sides right?"
|
| Why do you get upset that I call you a faggot when you suck putin cock, it's just logical. Sure ukrainians have bigger dicks anyways, and less aids, should be of use to you.
| Unless you already have aids, idk about you.
| >>834625
I don't really care if the east or the entire ukraine is ruled by corrupt pro-russian or corrupt pro-USA oligarchs.
But I understand how russians must feel about the the NATO advance which very likely will not stop until they bomb Moscow just like they did many times in belgrad, bagdhad or tripolis, leaving nothing but chaos and destruction.
| >>834609
>Kazynski
If you're talking about the polish leader(s) they're represtative of Poland's beliefs. Poland has always been *very* anti-russia, because Russia keeps invading it. That's been a problem since the tsars and will never go away.
If, however, you're referring to the American, than you're an idiot.
| Hey, remember that time the FSB literally paid taliban jihadis to take out marines based on a hitman-style hitlist? Putin sure the type of guy to have a hit list, I'm sure it has many journalist names regularly.
>>834629
Ok, and?
| By OK, and I mean sure fuck, USA ruined Libya and many others, I wanted to say it's the most valid point you've made, but still when it comes to conflict there is pro and anti...
| Bombing everything... why does it sound like what russia did in syria?
I'm just not gonna pick russia over ukraine, tbh
| >>834629
What NATO advance? You talk as if NATO is anything other than a defensive alliance to prevent *exactly* what Putin is doing.
If anything, Russia's current actions show exactly why everyone who doesn't want to be a colony of Russia wants to join NATO or the Chinese hegemony (which has its own problems).
| >>834627
I don't get upset about being called a faggot for being called a faggot but for using faggot as an insult, which is clearly homophobe.
Also I'm not upset. I'm not the one trying to insult anyone here or wishing aids or something. You just disqualify yourself with such statements. Is this all the anti-russia propaganda bubble got?
| >>834634
And also, NATO is a democratic alliance, nations join because they see a need to do so. If russia puts pressure on the border that sure is gonna motivate your ass to get insurance.
| >>834613
There were euromaidans in every major eastern and southern city. The current situation would never happen without Russian agents sent to capture city halls.
| >>834635
I'm not wishing aids, I was considering many parameters when it comes to your safe sucking of cock. It must be quite a spectacular feat to still avoid being positive. If you don't know about people calling each other faggots on the internet then you need to go back to internet troll boot camp because you've missed a few steps.
| Why are you calling me homophobic while you are defending russian interests?
| I saw you talk about communist shit. Do you know what the minimum wage in russia is?
| >>834634
Putin just did *exactly* what the NATO did in jugoslawia. Isn't he just /defending/ the pro-russian separatist republics? Do the people in Donetsk and Luhansk have no right for self-determination like the people in kosovo?
And how is the situation whith berkarabach, where NATO-member turkey intervened to destroy this small armenian republic? And the kurdish people in syria, turkey, iran and iraq? Why are they so less interessting compared to ukraine? Tigray anyone?
| If you believe the NATO is a defensive alliance, you believe in santa clause man. They are all offensive, making geopoitics, intervening in other countries, leading wars everywhere and supporting highly questionable leaders - even more questionable ones than putin himself.
| >>834641
You open your mouth and you have no idea what you are even addressing. The histories you talk about have literal genocide in them, fucking croatian extermination camps, ustashe and terror groups. You flap your mouth like a starbucks american.
I'd like to add that when it comes to Kurdistan, russia literally supported assad.
https://genius.com/Im-blue-blue-da-ba-dee-lyrics here is your theme song, translate to russian and sing it aloud in public.
| In the end the NATO is nothing but a cold-war leftover and a tool of US-Imperialism. Most NATO members have no souvereign foreign policy. This is why france once left the NATO. The NATO only serves the purpose for /securing/ and /expanding/ the geopolitical dominance of the USA.
| >>834642
>offensive, making geopoitics, intervening in other countries, leading wars everywhere and supporting highly questionable leaders
>offensive
Russia RIGHT NOW
>making geopolitics
?
>intervening in other countries
THE IRONY
>leading wars everywhere
russia?
>highly questionable leaders
lukashenko, kazakhstan guy (protected from the people themselves lol)
| >>834644
See that news piece about putin and xi declaring Cold war 2? If I recall they literally made it a statement opener lol
>What is CIS
| Putin himself declared he never thought cold war had ended. He's ex-KGB for fuck's sake
| Putin's words "The dissolution of the USSR is the biggest geopolitical disaster in history"... maybe it was "21st" century, btu he said it...
| >>834645
>Russia RIGHT NOW
Yes, russia now goes the way which was paved by NATO members, most prominent the USA. Why should russia be threaded different? Where where the sanctions, war threats and consequences for the USA or other NATO members breaking international law?
| >>834649
You mean the sanctions that hit when russia invaded and annexed crimea? The one where they violated the sovereignty of another country? The one where they funded breakoff groups in the east that were executing prisoners at some point? Or the sanctions in the works now, when russia is LITERALLY PREPARING TO INVADE A EUROPEAN COUNTRY
??
In all cases, russia did deserve these sanctions AND A LOT MORE
| >>834648
Which is a statement I would agree on, but this doesn't mean I agree on how putin deals with this situation. I'm well aware that russia is led by corrupt oligarchs too, driven by nationalism and imperialism. I just don't get the western narative of a good western/US-American and bad/evil russian imperialism. This seems so horribily stupid to me.
| >>834653
>Which is a statement I would agree on
Yup, I think we can call it here. There's really no point on taking this faggot seriously.
| >>834652
And? NATO members permanently invaded other countries based on unverified allegations and verified made up ones while violating international law. Why should I be upset about russia now, when I was told to shut up back then when USA/NATO did the same shit?
| >>834657
Because they didn't do the same shit. You're dangerously mis-informed if you think the two are comparable. Now go suck some more commie cock, cumguzzler.
| >>834658
Why are you debating a commie? They're like bible thumpers, except it's teh manifesto version.
"Those who miss the USSR have no heart, those who want it back have no brain" ─ Vladimir Putin
| Well I think the AI's broken guys
| >>834660
Everything communists in the USSR told people about communism was wrong. Unfortunately everything they told them about capitalism was true. And it still is. The failure of communism does not proof the infallibility of capitalism.
| >>34f02e
I like how much worse his spelling and grammar becomes when he gets emotional. It never gets old backing him into a corner and watching him squirm.
It was fun watching this faggot get debated into the ground, again. Thanks for always being awesome, dangeru!
| >>834663
There is no AI, there are only stochastic parrots, designed after the stochastic parrots simple people become when they discuss in the internet. Sorry guys, but I'm not here to satisfy your conformation bias.
| >>834664
One failed, the other didn't.
Now everyone stop feeding the troll, seriously, it's a manifesto-thumper level of indoctrination.
| >>834671 >>834666
Not everyone can and needs to talk proper high-level english. I also have a strong accent.
However, now I understood you're not having arguments with content anymore and now need to criticize the form (on top of unnecessarily calling me "faggot" all the time)
| >>834677
So contributing opinion you don't like to a debate is trolling, but actual trolling like calling people faggot, making fun about the way how they say something (reminds me on the film "idiocracy") is ok?
| >>834664
You're the only one who's brought communism and capitalism into the mix.
The fact is, Russia under Putin has a track record of human rights violations and war crimes far, FAR beyond anything NATO nations are guilty of, which is *why* Russia isn't trusted to intervene in countries and is held to a different standard.
Modern Americans have done some terrible shit, but their military has never needed to dig multiple mass graves for executed prisoners.
| >>834685
>but their military has never needed to dig multiple mass graves for executed prisoners.
Because they often have puppet assholes who do the dirty shit for them. And sometimes they even use it as reason for the next intervention. Like with sadam hussein in iraq: First delivering him with chemical weapons, letting him use it against iranians, but then invading him for having chemical weapons.
| >>834685
>The fact is, Russia under Putin has a track record of human rights violations and war crimes far, FAR beyond anything NATO nations are guilty of
This "fact" is heavily dependent on who is counting and on how things are evaluated.
Just Imagine what would happen to someone who leaks war crimes done by the US-military to the public...
| >>834685
It's also a fact that freedom is decreasing in the western realm, since the "war on terror" measurements that started in the USA after 9/11 (which was an inside job according to unvalidated conspiracy theories that would treated as "facts" if similar things happens in russia).
Russia is just more advanced at least in this development.
| >>834687
I think you have a very different idea of how the US operates than we do in reality.
One thing we don't do is intentionally target children.
t. a former US soldier who's served as qrf for some sketchy CIA-designed ops (though I don't expect you to believe me)
| Oh, I remember seeing someone say that Putin was doing this in response to the US trying to sell natural gas in Europe.
It's sorta funny that Germany has closed that natural gas pipeline in response to Russia invading Ukraine.
Russia isn't a major global political power anymore. Putin is going to ruin their economy acting like it is.
| >>834693
And why should russian soldiers do intentionally target children? Because they are inferior people with evil intentions? What would be the military purpose? Improving public opinion? Or is there a popular ideology in russia which legitimates targeting children? Please explain.
And the only thing you know is that your unit did not target children. Can you be sure about other (more secret) units or about all the criminals you supported?
| >>834695
Germany did not make this decisions as a sovereign country. It's politics is dominated by transatlantic networks, like the "Council on foreign relations", the "trilateral commission", the "atlantic council", etc.
United Germany shouldn't have been a NATO member but a neutral country instead (like austria - yes austria isn't in the NATO and did not got annexed by russia).
| >>834702
I don't know what rock you live under, but Germany dictates policy for the EU, not the other way around. And Germany wasn't forced to join NATO, it begged to, just like Poland did.
If both Russia and NATO are equally bad like you say, that wouldn't have happened.
| Why would you feed the troll? You know it's just a troll.
| >>834708
Poland begged to join the NATO because of irational fear of anti-russian polish nationalists, just like the baltic states. And germany did not beg for NATO membership. It was strict anti-communist groups from conservatives and ex-fascists that suddenly became "democrats" in western germany who wanted west-germany to join the NATO and to re-militarize it. After germanys "reunion" (which in fact was a takeover by the west) eastern people weren't asked about this.
| The fact is after the end of cold war, it was the west which failed to implement a new order in Europe which includes Russia Instead they underestimated its potential, ignored and even contributed to the problems that came up in the post-soviet era. Instead they pampered anti-russian nationalists in Hungary and Poland and islam-nationalism in turkey. You think erdogans turkey (NATO member) is a driver for peoples freedom and democracy in syria or armenia? Don't make me laugh!
| >>834623
>The Germans saw what commie victory meant from the evil that was happening in the Soviet union, and were like it's either that or the New guy, so fuck it let's go.
This is historically wrong. Communism/socialism was VERY popular in germany and there were tight relations between russia and germany, that even were used by the nazis (which suprised the west). No one knew at this point that the way lenins bolshevik went would lead to a monster like stalin.
| >>834623
The german communists revolutionaries who became strong after world war one were taken down forcefully by reactionist groups. And their leaders were brutally murdered. Different than hitler who was treated very generous after the failure of his coup d'etat. This says everything about western democracy understanding:
Kill all communists and eventually let fascists do the dirty work for you. Or religious fundamentalists.
| Trolls spin their lies, and the world goes round and round.
| The NATO is no different from this. They allready collaborated with fascist groups in italy during cold war, maintaining stay-behind organizations in case Italy could become communist and ally whith the soviets. It's called gladio. These are VERIFIED facts.
| >>834749
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
It's no lie or propaganda it's a fact.
To me those people are as rotten as todays russias/putins imperialists. In the end many workers will die and kill each other while some will get richer and richer - and from time to time they sacrifice some politicians as villains, while on the long term nothing will become better. I wonder who will become the next Putin.
| >>834750
Waaaah! I'm shook! How many people did they kill?
Communism did ~100 million
(1000000000)
https://www.outono.net/elentir/2017/12/18/the-more-than-100-million-deaths-that-communism-caused-divided-by-countries/
| But anyways you don't care, you live in your own little red world. With the little red windows and teh red car. I'm red da ba dee da ba daa
Faggot troll why am I feeding you
| Yo listen up here's a story.
About a little guy that lives in a red world.
All day and all night and everything he sees is just red
except that one time he got down on his knees to blue Putins limp cock.
| Why would Putin support the independence of Donbass and Luhansk when he doesn't do the same for the Baltic countries?
| I am siding with the russians, kindergartners are a buncha fuckin assholes
| >>834771
red scare reloaded? Don't get mad. Putin is no evil communist anymore. Russia is now a good capitalist imperialist country. Everything is fine. That's just imperialism, the little sister of capitalism. Enjoy the almighty "free market".
| >>834776
There actually are russian minorities in these countries, that are seen as potential threat to the local governments there. They haven't been treated well after the downfall of the USSR. Putin could easily exploit their situation for his imperialist agenda.
| >>834785
Yes, kindergartens are a major threat to russia. Putin always said it:
"I will not stop until I bomb all kindergartens" Russian people spent standing ovations. The whole world nows: The russian army is famous for its special operatives only trained for bombing kindergartens. Because children meat is a speciality of russian cuisine. There are rumors that (!"Ras-"!)Putin is in truth an undead witchmaster who drinks children blood for eternal life.
| >>834885
Exactly. And now let's all hate russia and wave the EU and USA flags of freedom. >Sometimes democracy must be bathed in blood.
Augusto Pinochet
| Oh no, now the russian army is bombing all kindergartens in ukraine.
| OMG, there is a lot of fake news. But it's easier to trust that Russia is Evil Empire. Too much hypocrisy in your mass media.
| >>835671
What has happened to western society and our love for freedom of speech and liberal ideas like freedom of the press is that we have sustained years and years of disinformation that has wrecked the faith we have in so many of our own institutions.
You need to be able to read somewhat between the lines. Difficult and subjective and people will come to different conclusions which is the fundamental flaw of living in a democracy.
| So you have to have faith in the information and sources you have available. You have to know what your principles are. You have to take a stand based on your principles and call a spade a spade.
| Well, I'm watching not mass media, but the internet resourses where is photo and video with confirmed description (or they write that "maybe it's X".
| >>836330
Yeah, you think you're funny. But you aren't. You are trapped in a naive believe in the goodness of this system. Planned obsolescence and bypass safety standards through lobbyism for the sake of profit are a thing as well as the decay of public infrastructure in favor of private ones.
And at some point the same capitalists who sold you the low quality bike and avoided paying taxes meant for maintaining the road will make profit by selling you the medical treatment.
| >>836330
"What has happened to western society"
≠
"fallig off a bike"
Do you understand the difference? DO YOU?
| Mfer's spokes won't be able to take much more if he keeps falling off his bike like that.
| Imagine riding bikes only to fall off from them lmao.
| >>836359
To get this thread somewhat back on topic, again.
Are you still willing to defend russia's actions now that Putin issued orders to prep nukes for deployment?
I mean, there's no question that he bought into his own lies on russia's strength compared to the rest of the world.
| >>833485
.@amnesty have examined the attack on the kindergarten in Okhtyrka and concur it was a cluster munition attack
| >>836494
You mistake criticizing the west and pointing out its double standards with defending russia. I don't support any kind of war and arms race - especially nuclear weapons.
But western policies doesn't care, because "we need them as a necessary evil to stop the bad guys"
I have some questions:
Which country(ies)...
...left the INF?
...president verbally threatened another country with "the red button" before ukraine war?
...already used nuclear weapons against another one?
| >>836730
He's clearly trying to get you to address the new sequitur of the debate, by giving you a straight question.
It's a yes/no question. If you dodge the answer then there’s no good faith debate here and you’re essentially a useful idiot of the Russian propaganda disinformation campaigns that have been running for years sowing these exact divisions.
I'll ask again. Are you still willing to defend russia's actions now that Putin issued orders to prep nukes for deployment?
| >>836772
This is a very good negative example of a suggestive question, like
>when have you stopped beating your partner
Pointing out the failures of western global players never was and never will equal to defending russias/putins agressions against the ukraine or nuclear threatenings.
Westerners who now see and blame criticism and reflection on their actions as weakness or treason instead a strenght, are no different to putin for me.
| >>836807
My man. If you want to talk about the west, make a new thread for it.
This thread is about Russian actions.
Learn to stay on subject and maybe people will be willing to consider what you have to say.
| >>836892
I don't even bother reading his posts anymore. They're just so persistently vapid and transparent, and he doesn't seem mentally capable enough to ever understand it himself.
I'm 100% certain he comes to us everytime he's coping with loneliness because no one else are willing to talk with him. As evident by how emotional he gets when we stop giving him attention.
| >>836892
Trying to separate those things as if they are not related to each other is somehow problematic. If the west hadn't done so much shit during and even after the cold war, it would be much harder for russian propaganda to legitimate its own shit. Russia and Putin aren't isolated entities in the world. Their actions are inspired by western policy. The only difference is that Putin is an european autocrat who now makes this kind of shit within the global north.
| >>836892
He's literally mimicking his biggest mancrush/the kreml propaganda handbook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEBYU1aGXMA
"Damn you the west!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52JsS7WQLh0[/spoiler]
| a country's security should not be at the expense of the security of other countries,let alone wantonly damage the sovereignty and security of other countries out of seeking its own absolute military advantage and absolute security.Regional security cannot be guaranteed by strengthening or even expanding military groups.The Cold War mentality should be completely abandoned.In five rounds of eastward expansion of NATO,Russia has been forced into a desperate situation by NATO( ˇωˇ)
| >>837281
No nation is ever *forced* to attack. NATO didn't force anyone to join, they all asked to, because the benefits were worth the cost.
Germany isn't being forced to buy natural gas from the US. It's just cheaper for them to do so than it is to keep paying what Russia asks.
Ukraine wasn't forced to seek NATO membership. They want it because they were already worried about Russia invading
Russia just want their colonies back so they can be exploited again for Russian gain
| >>837288
Nah. It's fun to bait him every two or three days. Who knows, maybe he'll look up something aside from Russian propaganda in his efforts to argue with me. Because saying the same thing over and over never works.
| >>837320 Oh yeah, amidst all the crying from Russians about Ukraine joining NATO pushed Russia to act recklessly, I forgot the reason why Ukraine wanted in with NATO in the first place: the annexation of Crimea. Maybe this was the plan from Putin all along, to push Ukraine into being desperate enough to give Russia a legitimate Casus Belli.
| >>837320
As the world's largest military organization, this "largest" advantage can not become the "force"or"Seduction" NATO should be in grave now.
| >>837288
Believe it or not, if there is only one Troll left in the world (whether it's the West or the Kremlin), we all will fuck up
| I just saw pictures of Ukrainian soldiers setting up artillery in a kidnergarten in sievierodonetsk, among a couple others. Guess I know why the ruskis bomb schools now.
| >>837387 cry harder for the 5 Russian battalions that are currently eating shit, cut off & surrounded south of Kyiv.
Or for the Russian artillery men who are being targeted by Ukrainian special forces & mercenaries.
No quarter is being allowed for them now, and Ukraine has teased bounties on all their heads in response to the indiscriminate shelling of civilian targets.
Looking forward to how hard Russia is gonna collapse now.
| >>837630 Seems both are guilty of shelling civilians. Like, Ukraine deserves to protect its sovereignty or whatever, but they're not totally innocent. Hopefully once this war is over (preferably with the loser being Russia) we'll be able to look at Ukraine with a more objective view.
But yeah, keep spitting them hohol propaganda. You're doing a great job. Unlike Russian trolls, you actually believe in what you're spitting and don't need to be paid. Go, you.
| >>837729
Tbh, I just have personal motivation for wanting Russia to lose out. I lost my job back in 2013 when they undercut us on natural gas. So instead of getting paid $400 a day to maintain valves extreme pressure valves & wellheads, I now fix slot machines for $18/hr. So yea, let Russia burn for killing an industry here.
| >>837729
"uKrAiNaNs ArE iNtEnTiOnAlLy ShElLiNg RuSsIaN cIvIlIaNs. I hAvE nO pRoOf BuT yOu WiLl sEe!!!1"
"bOtH sIdEs ArE tHe SaMe"
"yOu ArE aLl TrOlLs LiKe Me"
| So fucking stupid...
| >>837854
From a western point of view, they are both the same: Slavic subhumans in corrupt banana-republic/autocracy fighting each other.
| >>838430
There are different kinds and origins of and relations between slavophobic views. Historically to most "western" cultures (e.g. roman/byzantic to germanic, especially angle-saxony), slavic cultures were alway seen as "savages", just like africans or native americans. German nazisim had the most extreme form of anti-slavism (tightly mixed with anti-semitism and anti-communism) During cold war the USA maintained the nazists mixture of anti-communism and anti-slavism.
| In the west the downfall of the USSR wasn't only seen as failure of "communism" in the west but also as a failure of slavic cultures (since "communism" seemed to work in east-asia) Angle-saxon culture is leading western imperalism, to which slavic countries are nothing but their colonies and geopolitical shield. WW2 was an exception due to the failure of angle-saxon elites to understand the madness behind german nazism, which they believed being a useful ally/tool to them.
| Most people in the EU countries don't want (mostly poor) slavic countries in their (originally no-slavic) union. To them countries like Ukraine are like latin-america to the USA: Poor people who do the shitty jobs for them (honestly: eastern europe is best known for their prosititutes in the west) Sometimes they fight each other, which means good war business and testing ground for the west.
| >>07a769
No no no. Do you have a single fact to back up the claim you're not literally the only person who believes this bullshit?
| >>838576
Can you specify what do you mean by "a single fact" and what claims you want to backed up exactly?
If you mean examples, there are tons of.
- The racist views of british imperialists on people who are confronted with their supremacist policy in the colonies.
- The neonazistic conspiracy theory of "jewish-bolshevism"
- Neonazi riots in eastern-germany against refugees from the balkan states in the 90s.
| Also if you look at the current situation in the EU it's obvious many people in the wealthier north/western nations of the EU already believe in right-wing propaganda, which says the lazy and stupid people in the south live on their cost. Exactly this tone was dominating the Brexit campaing, which gained a democratic majority (!), but also the new german right-wing party was founded based on these racist lies (the financial crisis of 2010 which the greeks were blamed for)
| And now as putin attacked ukraine, westerner politicians make mockery of ukraine by delivering them old garbage from cold war (like poland and germany).
Especially germany needs people who are willing to make the dirty jobs in their ultra-low-waged (health)care sector and construction sites but also delivery services. That's the only reason they "welcome" refugees: To exploit them
| No one in the who is right in mind understands why putin escalated the situation. Ukraine AND Russia will be fucked for decades...
| The winners of this conflict will be the USA and China. The chance of an united free and independent europe is far far away. Russia will become chinas bitch, western Europe even more the USAs bitches. And ukraine will become madmax borderland (It's no coincidence that ukraine literally translates into that)
| So you have nothing to back your claims up, noted
| >>838630
And it's obvious you don't want them to be backed up, since you don't specify what claims exactly you mean and what kind of "backup" you think about.
| >so fucking stupid
>i don't get what you're saying, but you have no proof
>lol kreml bot
>you're all samefags
So predictable.
| >>838627
Idiot.
You clearly don't understand how long it takes to learn to use weaponry and equipment. Learning to use a different style of rifle well enough to trust it in combat is a job of months. Hell, just to learn the specific quirks of a new rifle of a style you've trained on takes days.
And the more complex a piece of equipment is, the longer it takes to train on it. You need your reactions to be trained, muscle memory & instinct.
| Sending Ukraine old Migs and equipment isn't snubbing them, it's insuring they have equipment their pilots & soldiers know how to operate.
| >>838902
...well, that and Zelensky specifically asked for Russian-made vehicles, since that's what their pilots are trained on. It would have probably been worse to send them american made stuff for that reason.
https://lasvegassun.com/news/2022/mar/06/why-does-ukraine-need-foreign-warplanes/
| >>838901
For a bunch of medieval goat fu..., ehm, sheperds, the taliban learned pretty quick how to handle western weapons. I guess the CIA did a bad job in Ukraine...
| >>839095
There, those are actual sources. Kreml bot can't back up anything else tho since it's fake news t b h
| Petition to rename Kremlin to Gremlin
| LOL
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| gremlin bot
| Oh lmao it's true
| LOLWUT
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| Gremlin
| can you replace "faggot" with "i love you"?
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| A children’s nursery has been struck by Russian forces in eastern Ukraine, raising fears that Moscow is plotting a “false flag” attack as an excuse to invade the country.
All because the Ukrainian people wanted their freedom, wanted to be like Western Europe with a democratic country and freedoms, not be under the boot heel of Russia and kept poor because of one person and his cronies.