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Jill gives me trans vibes
| I rate it
| I could definitely see it.
| meds
| Oh I very much agree. Her personality, the way she carries herself, she has that air about her. Glad someone said it.
| Hang yourself pls
| Well she is written by a now trans girl, so there is that.
| Ummm..? It's cool that you see it that way and have been able to relate to that, but I don't really see it. Maybe that's because I'm as cis as someone can be, but I still related a lot to Jill's problems, insecurities and even her character as a whole in general. So I dunno about that...
| >>827105 That's because Jill is just written damn well. Her portrayal is human. Her experiences are broadly relatable, yet still remain poignant.
| >>827105
Maybe partially. Stuff like that can be hard to notice if you haven't lived it. That's a big thing in other mediums like music too. Some songs for example that to me are obviously about trans issues are just cool words with a different meaning to someone who hasn't love it. Examples being artists like Cavetown and Overpade.
Also what >>827108 said. Jill is super well written to be relatable to basically everyone.
| >>827122
And since the tranny cult is based on the hyper-inflation of ego, of course they'd make it about themselves/
| No she doesn't. Stop projecting
| >>827128 >>827134
Yeah that's kinda how I feel about all this to be honest. I know proper trans representation is rare, so I get why someone would think that, but in the end that's just not the case.
Also this post makes me feel like Celeste's Madeline did. I related super well to the way she was portrayed in the base game, with her depression, self-doubt and feeling lost in life. Then it turns out it was all a trans metaphor. And boom, now I have no right to say it's relatable.
| >>827136 you can still think a trans character is relatable. Madeline has mental health issues that are relatable to many people. Just like how you can watch a black character as a white person, you can't relate to every aspect of their life but you can relate to many or most others. You definitely can find Madeline relatable if you're cis.
| No she doesn't. Stop projecting
| >>827137
This.
Like think about it this way. I've never had a single character in any media that's like me. That's the same as me.
Does that mean I'm not allowed to relate to a single character in anything at all? Of course not.
Humans are humans. Humans can relate to humans despite having differences. Despite not being born the same.
Like, everyone deals with shit, and even if their situations are different, there'll be similarities and shit that everyone feels. It's just empathy.
| >>827147
Then why does shit like netflix cram leftist hyper-stereotypes and diversity quotas into people's eyes
Deadbeat dad, stronk womyn, black doctor, kids are fags etc etc
Your logic runs contrary to the shit your political strain pulls
| And incessantly, repeatedly, continuously... trannies trannies trannies, trannies everywhere in media, pushed in ads, corporate shit, fag parades, flag SHIT, everywhere in social medias, upheld in censorship, fucking forced on everyone...
| >>827136
And as for the last part of this, uh, no. That's like, the opposite of how it is. Or at least of how it should be.
"Turns out this character is trans so now I can't relate to this character in any way at all anymore" is a very weird mindset.
Trans people are just normal humans. Like, I can relate to someone who's cis when they're going through rough shit mentally. Why can't that go both ways?
Well, it can. And should. So try not to think like that.
| Jill is not trans. Stop projecting. There is literally no reason for this drama at all
| >>827044
Yep, you could definetly have a twist at the end where Jill comes out as trans and it would fit perfectly with the rest of the game.
It's not suprising, the character is written by a trans girl who obviously put a lot of herself into the game.
| honestly I don't see it. actually I would choose a good 70% of the cast to be more likely to be trans than jill.
| Gillian is more trans
| Trans women are women
Trans women do not seek to "replace" cis women
Trans women are soecifically CALLED trans women to udentify and differentiate their identity from an afab experience
if a lesbian chooses to only date cis women that is her completely okay and fine choice but to state that a trans woman cant date a lesbian necessarily implies trans women arent women and i will fight invincibly and never die on this hill
| Now I understand why the maids treated trans posts so harshly.
| >>827138
Who are these people who think just because our experience isn't 100% exactly the same (which is impossible by the way) we can't relate to them? I will fistfight them.
| >literally nothing to indicate she's trans whatsoever
You just like her and want her to be like you
| >>827240
Aren't we all? Don't we all, whenever we see a new character we like, or even a new IRL person we like, we see what's similar between the two of us?
But when it's a fictional character, the conversations is just held with ourselves. We see what we can see, and what we can't see we project based on what we know. Op see Jill as trans. Valid way to fill the blank spaces. She just wants to see if anyone else fill it the same way.
| >>827241
>Valid way to fill the blank spaces
Assuming what's true of you is true of others is a really horribly shallow way to look at others and incredibly reductive in general
| >>827246
hey
its very obvious you are taking the most benign of statements and cherrypicking one innocuous thing to try and start a fight.
it's a bit sad and makes me wonder if you just want attention.
so here it is: you can do better than this babe. i believe in you.
| >>827251
Genuinely not trying to pick a fight. What you're doing is skipping over understanding others by using your knowledge of self as a replacement for genuine sympathy. It's not healthy, and to use your words, you can do better.
| >>827266
no no one is doing that
no one is saying "everyone thinks jill is trans"
What was said is that everyone relates to characters by findibg relatability and drawing their own conclusions as to whatever is omitted frol the story or any questions they have that the media doesnt answer
that isnt skipping over understanding people or making assumptions at all and even if it were your hostikity makes it clear you just want to squabble.
| That being said i will no longer repsond to you. There is a great convo being had here and you're being an irrelevant pissbaby. Bye.
| >>827225 this 100%. Jill being trans would not be lesbian erasure, because trans lesbians exist and they and cis lesbians are not somehow in competition. If Jill was a trans lesbian than she would just be a trans lesbian. Being trans wouldn't erase that
Plus the entire argument is stupid because Jill isn't a lesbian, she's canonically bisexual lol
| >>827266 this is kind of interesting. Is your point that by headcannoning characters, it's ignoring their text and replacing it with what we want, therefore the excercise of sympathy brought about by engaging with media is diminished by forcing the character to be something were already accepting and familiar with, rather than what they canonically are, in text? Because that's actually an interesting point about headcannons and death of the author as a concept in general
| >>827283 if that is what youre saying, I dont think i fully buy into that, but its definitely interesting and one of the more nuanced takes I've seen here on the "Jill isn't trans" side if the debate. But i do think that at a certain point, it can go too far by ignoring the text almost completely. But generally i think its fine. The game gives us many holes to fill and especially before her past is revealed, it's a possibility. Even after, its never explicitly said that she is cis
| Im replaying V411 Hall-A right now and characters constantly refer to her as flat as a board. And she mentions to Streaming-Chan that somebody tried to have her fired for wearing a skirt~sounds like a clocked transwoman to me
Fanon gaining steam
| Jill being trans would not ignore, undermine or change anything about the writing of Va-11 Halla-A. It would not be erasure in any ways, because that being the case would not change a single thing about the story.
If it was explicitly written that she was cis and stuff around that, then that's a different story. But that's not the case.
So this headcannon/theory is not erasure in the slightest.
| >>827360
Mhm! Especially the skirt thing. There's lots of little things like that throughout the game. It seems pretty obvious to me.
| Jill is a bimbo
| You can look at literally any girl in fiction and go EHMERGURD ITS A TRANNY SHES JUST LIKE ME and it still would not be reality.
I think it's a pretty great example of 2 things: 1) since reality does not agree with trannies, they must deform it in order to better live their lie and 2) trannyism is like a cult. It reminds me of things like scientology and hyperchristianism where everything is demons, if something is good in your life it's god, and if you don't conform you go to HELL
| Having a conversation with trannies is literally like talking to bible-thumpers.
They're all too lost in their JESUS CHRIST IS THE WAY LORD AND SAVIOR logic and rhetoric to really see the world around them. All the goods in life are godly and all the bads in life are demonic. Bad people are evil sinners and unless they PRAISE THE LAWWD they're all going to boil.
And the most important thing about this is when arguing...
| Because at the end of the day, they decide that the world works a certain way, and that if people don't like them it's because transphobia/minions of satan so easy to ignore... It's like playing chess with a pidgeon, remember? You can play all the pieces right and lay down a masterclass strategy, but the pidgeon will just shit all over the board, throw your pieces off the table then proudly walk around claiming it won.
Trannyism is a cult, it behaves like scientology in many ways.
| can y'all please stop you're bringing the transphobes out of the woodwork and ruining the board for those of us who prefer to exist quietly
| This isn't news. Take it to random.
| >>827451 >>827469
Hate this shit. Trans people existing isn't a political thing and the only people trying to make it political are the annoying ass samefaggers who should be banned by now.
| >>827481 hard agree. These morons see everything as binary, either cis or political. Same logic as calling any female or POC in comics or star wars etc as political. People who arent cishet white able-bodied neurotypical men exist everywhere, and forcing them to shut up because you don't like "politics" is ridiculous. If others did that to them and people like them theyd lose their shit, because they're oversensitive, hypocritical, mean and weak, and obviously compensating for smth
| lol
| >>d833eb It could come out of a place of not wanting to misinterpret and/or appropriate someone else's experiences. Leading you to put too much emphasis on what is different about said experience.
| >>827549 this can certainly happen, but i think most people who don't want to see trans people in media, don't have this reasoning. That's giving them too much credit lol
| >>827151 if you're seeing only trans stuff in ads, maybe it's time to take another look at yourself... Advertisements are tailored to you, after all.
I mean, you can always install uBlock Origin... https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock
| Jill can't be trans else she wouldn't be laughing at dick.
| Probs already mentioned but the writer is non binary so it would make sense that they'd project themselves onto the character a little bit.
They were struggling with their identity and that's reflected.
To me jill read just as a girl who was mildly depressed and not really able to enjoy their identity the same way someone like alma would.
Bored of gender but not opposed.
The absence of something doesn't mean that it's the opposite if that makes sense?
| >>827894
Can totally see that. I do still agree that there's a lot of trans girl stuff with Jill, but honestly, looking at it through an enby lens fits pretty well too.
Good take. Currently not sure which one I'm gonna headcannon. Until further investigation I'll view Jill as both.
| I don't care if she's trans or not. It doesn't really matter because in the end she's a g/u/rl. (I really don't get why you want to specifically say transgender. I have disagreed with my original gender and simply excluded it from existence and I will stand by that I've always been a girl.)
| >>827931
I mean, yeah. You always have been. Every trans person has been the gender they really are since birth.
I fully agree that girl is just girl. Girl is girl and always has been girl regardless of anything.
But trans people do have certain different life experiences than cis people, and being able to fully relate to a character can be really nice. So a character being trans or not can make a pretty big difference in that regard for other trans people.
Hope that clears it up.
| And just to make 100% sure I'm not misunderstood, I do think girls should just be referred to as girls. Not trans girls or cis girls. Always specifying that and creating this weird separation between them is not something I fuck with. But in some cases those labels can be relevant to a conversation. Like in this one, where it's in relation to representation. Or in conversations about issues that only trans or only cis women face.
That's why a distinction is made in this convo.
| still replaying it and wowww Gillian has serious transdude vibes
the size/shape of his eyes, thinness and fineness of his brows comparative to every other male character, shape of his fave and even his hair is kind of a butchy shag. Long, slender neck. And his chin pubes lol literaly just imagine them gone and he's totally got a cool bishoujo thing going on
| Sympathetic to op or whoever wanting Jill to be trans. Flipside though I just thought Jill was written by a man so she sounded ambiguous. Since the writer is trans/non-binary it would make sense to get trans vibes.
| Ha gay!
| >>828110
Errr he looks like a pixelated anime-informed drawing tbf and definitely very pale. but my point is that he has a finer, more androgynous look than Dawson or Jamie, while not looking like a child the way Deal does. Which is also par for the course for a lot of male anime characters though to be fair-by my logic every male in a shoujo could be seen as trans (haha...unless....?)
| >>058d28 i took the more feminine aspect of him reflecting how non confrontational he is personality wise, also a young naive fella especially compared to dawson.
I dunno, i feel like he existed to be bullied by dana and jill and his design leans into it.
| >>827998
Yeah, I kinda gotta disagree with that. He sort of fits some common stereotypes appearance wise, but, that's about all it is.
With Jill it's the way she behaves, her personality, subtle things here and there that honestly seem like hints put there by someone who's familiar with those kinda experiences, etc.
With Gillian I don't see any of that. He's just sort of a soft boy. That's about it, and, well, that's not very good propf since a lot of trans mascs aren't that.
| I haven't played it in a while, and Jill & Gill both being trans would be a really cool thing representation wise. But, from what I can tell the only thing to support that theory is an appearance that's a trans masc stereotype. So, gotta disagree.
But if you find something I'd love to hear it! I'd love to believe it. It's just, like, that alone ain't enough, and going off stereotypes ain't it.
| Shut the fuck up, troons always gotta make it be about themselves.
| Shut the fuck up, troons always gotta make it be about themselves.
| Every day I hate trannies a little bit more.
| >>99dd5f isn't it kinda weird how you lot developed a subculture that have ingroup words like troon?
Unless you're a self hating tranny, in which case go with god. Get laid be happy.
| >>828215 lol I'm trans, i was just making fun of the guy above men's misspelling of trans as troon lol. Reminded me of the scene in who framed Roger rabbit, thought it was funny lol
I'm trans and have no hate for me or others, just thought it would be funny to riff on the asshole
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| the ratio of trans/cool gurls vs chuds tho
Love it <3
| Jill is just an ordinary and very relatable girl. It felt like playing a game with me as the main character.
It's a little silly to say Jill reminds you of a transgender woman. Aside from both being female, what part, exactly?
That's way too general.
| >>828635
Read the thread. The reasons for why specifically trans have been said multiple times already.
| >>828643
Still not news or politics.
Thread got moved here because the maids got tired of you all shitting up general.
| >>828674
You know very well that that's because of transphobes who make literally everything political and spam every thread. So stfu lol
| >>828681
If you want to blog, go to tumblr or something.
If you want to discuss politics, follow the fucking rules of the board and include links. Stop wasting our time with this rambling, unverifiable personal experience bullshit.
| >>828643
I can call every person I meet an alien in disguise and it would still be bullshit, even if I believe in it real hard.
| >>828697
Dude shut the fuck up
You are not the arbiter of what gets posted and no such "DURR YOU GOTSA POSAT LINK" rules have ever existed. feel free to simply not click on links that are discussing shit that clearly hust steams you you absolute fucking whiny pissbaby
| >>828720
Actually, this rule has always existed, but only for news. We don't care if a link is posted or not for obvious opinion or general political threads. It's not like someone's stating or reporting a fact.
| OP just thinks Jill feels like a trans person. The developers or writer have never said anything to this effect, and doesn't require sources.
| >>828820
Would you please close this already? It's just a pointless circlejerk of insults and echos. Nothing is being discussed.
| >>828922
Yes you can lol. Literally just click the 3 dots and the button that says "hide thread". I exclusively use the app, and that is and has always been a feature. Just stfu already.
| The bait on this app is getting so fucking petty. Jesus christ.
| I'm not baiting. There's seriously no such option. You want a screenshot?
| >>828999
"Wahhh i dont wanna see this and also there is no option to hide it that everyone else has and also i cant just not click on this thread ohhhhuhohjjjj woe is me"
damn son must suck meanwhile i see the most out of pockt shot here on the regular amd manage to just click away sorry about your bitch genes maybe hormones wil help balance that out~
| >>829003
Have you ever considered, perhaps it's not that everyone you meet is a transphobe or hate-filled, perhaps you're just a cunt?
I mean, if EVERYONE is always terrible to you like you claim, there's one common denominator.
| >>829014
???
i didnt say literally anything you're responding to bud
think you got your strawmen mixed up
| goddamn dude there are the one liner side guys and then there are actually brainwormed fucking weirdoes like >>f7fe05
| just absolutely proving every point made about the insane transphobic stupidity ypu fuckin weirdoes espouse lmao
maids bad enough to move such an innocuous thread to the cesspool of new just because of the "poLItiCaL" content but to just kind of let these dicks slide?
Fuck, im remembering why I left this app in the first place
| shit doesnt need to be a safe space hugbox but that shouldnt give a pass to actual hateful dogshit like this :7\
| >>f7fe05 1. If dysphoria is a mental illness, Would not then transitioning be the treatment?
2. We don't think we'll get an easy pass
3. You've most likely met a trans woman and didn't realize because they passed too well. I've met many who are indistinguishable from cis women
4. No trans person I've ever seen bas said a vagina makes you a woman. That's what most transphobs think, not trans people
5. It's weird how people like you always rag on trans women but never trans men lol
| Just waiting for im to hit us with the "kek u mad"
| This thread is honestly making me lose faith in the maids a bit. Like, moving a non-political topic (literally just trans people existing) to this cancerous hole, and not doing a single thing about cancer cells like that, like, damn.
Like, I love y'all maids, but it's genuinely kinda worrying, ngl. Like, you'd rather flag trans related stuff as political (or straight up shut it down) instead of doing something about the transphobes?
Idk. That's kind of a miss.
| >>f7fe05 i agree. If you can't handle someone saying something as simple and harmless as "i personally feel like this videogame character has trans vibes", then maybe you should stick to discord. You clearly need a safe space where you won't be challenged, or have to read anything on the internet that you don't like.
| >>828972 >>828999 >>829003
I see the confusion. On the android app, there are three vertical dots at the top right of the screen, in the colored bar. If you click on this, it will give you the option to hide a thread. However, you must first click and enter a thread to hide it. You can't just be on the board itself.
Here is an example.
https://imgur.com/a/kcL5AfT
| >>829059
Sadly, I think you're right. The maids actions are worrying and counterproductive.
Moving this thread because of trolls just feeds them even more now that they know they can ruin threads they don't like. We will likely see more of this in the future. Shitsux. I love this site but if that baiting loner gets to do his thing then I'm out of here.
| >>829082
Fr. The maids are literally just giving them what they want. Like, literally cooperating with trolls instead of doing something about it. It's weird.
I'm hoping they don't pull this shit ever again tbh. This board has always been, like, for everyone. But now they're complying with the people who don't want it to be like that and making it so people will be scared to even mention anything trans related to not get their thread shut or sent here to be completely ruined.
| >>829142
Yeah, it is weird. The maids have always done a great job so this move suprised me. I get that cleaning up after our mess is a pain in the ass but giving in to the trolls is teh big gay move. It bums me out tbh.
| >>829150
Fr. The reason I have hope is, like, how amazing they've been before. But this is, it's concerning. Hopefully it's just one of those times where one maid is a little shitty and trigger happy, but, idk.
| goddamn it is actually very heartening to see so manu people agree with me because when i originally left like a year back the place was basically overrun with 4chan refugees
and yes, it is absolutely like one dude on three screens. Sadder still if it is actually 3 separate dudes, each so flimsy they seem a third of a person themself
| this thread is proper and im fuckin proud of the posters itt firmly drawing a line and pointing out actual reprehensible behaviour that can make this place feel toxic
| >>829150 >>829168
So, because someone disagrees with you, they're a shitty person and a troll?
I mean, any time you claim such & such a character is trans, you're invalidating cis people who relate to the character just as much as you feel they invalidate you when they say a character is straight.
The knife cuts both ways, but you're harming more people just by dint of statistics.
| Also, side note, people refer to each other as gurls on here because it's a meme from the videogame. Not any deeper meaning, not signaling anything.
There's simply no boys on the internet.
| >>829175
To reiterate:
"Jill gives me trans vibes" is not "jill is now canonically trans"
The end
The rest of your post doesnt matter because yu have either 1. gotten yourself super pissed about shit no one has said or is arguing or 2. are starting shit just to start it while lobbing transphobic shit in between and making laugjable allusions to "cis exclusion/invalidation".
Maids, this is the shit we're talking about.
| Anyways, keep screaming into the void about this issue. Because lors knows some transppl on a niche app for an indie point and click game discussing how a character reminds them of themselves affevts you, your enjoyment, and how people en masse adress the game/character
| Im literally done explainin this and will henceforth only be dunking the fuck out of you so you can whine "wahhhhhhh the tr*nny os being zo mean and invalidating me wahhhh ban her" or something you lil baby worm
| >>829183
Jesus, I'm not even the same person you were talking with before. Persecution complex much?
| >>829183
I'm fully on your side, but don't. You shouldn't explain either, because it's already been done plenty.
Just don't interact. The interaction is what they want. That's why they're doing it, and why it's so annoying that maids moved the thread here when they know the only people who go here are reaction baiting cunts.
So just, don't.
| All I think is you should perhaps be mindful of others before expecting them to be mindful of you.
Really not terribly unreasonable.
| "I have literally nothing to offer except to try and tale a potshot insinuating you are hysterical uwu no i havent said anything of worth or crafted an argument uwu im apparently just lurking this thread and occasionally saying you have a complex uwu"
| >>829189
Op: "shes probably canonically not trans"
Totally Not A Transphobe: "WOW BY EVEN SUGGESTING SHE HAS TRANS VIBES YOU'RE INVALIDATING ME REEEEE"
your a dumb fuckig worm you should be mindful of shutting the fuck up instead of posting :)
| >>829188
u rigjt
u right tho
Im just shitposting (literally on the toilet) lmao imma go make coffee.
Again just happy to aee non disingenuous chuds onthis app <3
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| I could go into little details and stuff to make a big theory supported with evidence, and i probably will someday. I just have to say that Jill just gives me the vibes. The first time i played it, i thought that would be a twist with her character. At the very least, she's relatable to me and my experiences, even though she's most likely not canonically trans. I just like her a lot, and her anxieties, personality, etc. Just make me get the vibe you know ?