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USA abandons kurds

| The kurds in Syria are one of the few progressive powers in the region. They were used to fight the IS, which was the result of the US intervention in iraq. Now with the IS beaten, the kurds, who beared the most weight in ground combat against the IS while implementing secular, direct-democratic communities in the liberated areas, are sacrificed to turkey, ruled by autocratic, religious nationalists (which played a shady role in supporting the IS).


| /src/

US withdrawal:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7545537/US-forces-begin-withdrawal-northern-Syria-make-way-Turkish-INVASION.html

How Turkey is involved:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_involvement_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War

About by far the most reasonable government in the whole region:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rojava


| God damn it. I'm legitimately angry now. Think we should bring the,IS back so they can come back?


| >Hello', this is Dangeru, true leaders of IS. We hiding in middle east, pls find us. Send many mens.


| Well dang, is US intervention bad or good? It feels like if we try to intervene it causes more problems but if we pull out it just causes different problems.


| >>601001
The problem are the goals of US-interventions. They do it primarily for geopolitical reasons.
And they aren't honest about their secondary, ideological motivations. They say they do it for peoples freedom, for democracy, for humanism and for peace. But surprisingly often the USA supported totalitarian, undemocratic militant and despotic idiots, with the main goal to stop everything that's suspected for being communist. Post cold-war euphoria was replaced by chaos.


| >>601020 what about all the interventionist policies in the middle East which has nothing to do with Communism? And if the US is only motivated by the destruction of communism then why doesn't it destroy China, the most successful communist country?


| >>601137 Well of course, the best victory is to win without fighting.

After the nukes, fighting any developed country directly is a bad idea.


| >>601137
>what about all the interventionist policies in the middle East which has nothing to do with Communism?
It was to assure Oil supply and imperialism - which also serves anticommunist purposes.
>And if the US is only motivated by the destruction of communism
It's only the secondary mission. The primary mission is imperialist geopolitics.
>When why doesn't it destroy China, the most successful communist country?
They do, but it's a bit harder to destroy a successful country.


| >>601256 and now we're back to the "communism is salvation, capitalism is the root of all evil" argument that never gets any real explanation, only statements like "capitalism is not sustainable" and "greedy bourgeoisie wants you to suffer"


| >>601261 And don't get me started on our old friend "humans aren't evil and greedy like capitalists say so communism will work, but the rich capitalists are too greedy and evilt to let you have a good life" are humans evil and greedy or not? "whichever I can use to push the communist agenda" is the true unsaid answer


| >>3ccbbc
Do you even know what a strawman argument is?


| >>601261
>that never gets any real explanation
There is an explanation, which is three thick books long, called "the capital" by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. I wouldn't say you should read it and believe everything they wrote like religious dogmas. But you should take it serious. Lot's of their analysis and criticism is still valid, and no failed or fake communist approach will change that, no matter how hard capitalists (or at least want people to) believe that.


| >>601261
Oh, and I can do this strawman thingy to:
And now we're back to the "capitalism is salvation, communism is the root of all evil" argument that never gets any real explanation, only statements like "communism is not sustainable" and "evil (jewish?) communists want you to suffer"


| >>601261
Oh, and I can do this strawman thingy too:
And don't get me started on our old friend "humans are evil and greedy like capitalists say so capitalism will work, but the communists are too greedy and evilt to let you have a good life" are humans evil and greedy or not? "whichever I can use to push the capitalist agenda" is the true unsaid answer

It's even a full working revertible strawman - probably the weakest kind of argument one can make.


| However, it doesn't change these facts: - the kurds are the most reasonable group in the whole region
- the region was fucked up first by european colonialism and later by the USA.
- The USA were a destructive force during cold war due to red scare paranoia
- The west did not learn from history after cold war and proceeded screwing things up like before


| >>601333 apparently your favorite counter argument since sometime last month


| >>601341 also no one says capitalism is salvation, it's just less exploitable than communism


| >>601377
Two world wars lead by capitalist driven imperialism and nazism/fascism and countless military dictatorships and religious terrorist groups that were supported/created to defend capitalism against socialism during cold war say something different.
The only thing capitalist really care for is to increase their profits. Not because they're evil, but because they're humans corupted by having too much power and because that's how capitalism is. How isn't this exploitable?




| >>601455 hoooooo boy, thanks for proving my point at>>601262 while simultaneously breaking the "strawman" cries from>>601345 >>601333


| >>601471
Please learn to read and understand texts correctly. Your strawman at >>601262 looks different from the actual argument>>601455
At this point answer some questions:
1. Which kind of economy dominates humanity since the end of feudalism until today?
2. What is the job of a capitalist in a capitalist economy?
3. Do you think the series of anticommunist interventions by US/Western countries during (and after) cold war were justified or successful in defending human rights?

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