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Politics in VA-11 HALL-A
| I thought that the conversation was more about showing that Art was actually being emotional, and that Stella had calmly had her side prepared for situations like this. So I thought it was more about showing the character's personalities than it was an actual political discussion.
| I wouldn't say that it leaned heavily on Stella. Both said, multiple times, that Zaibatsu sucks, and for every point one said, the other had a counterpoint.
At the end Art can't say anything about the jobs, orders a shitty drink, and Stella recognizes that she often forgets that those benefits are for restricted to a few.
| I could write a Master's thesis on this interaction, so sorry if I write a lot.
>On jobs
This was kinda the "gotcha" moment. Stella said that Zaibatsu brought other companies and jobs to Glitch City and Art can't form a response. This doesn't mean the convo is over.
Bringing jobs wasn't an act of benevolence, it was a strategic decision to minimize loses and increase leverage over the working class.
| These jobs keep citizens in poverty with grossly low wages, and because they're desperate, they have no choice but to work without complaint. It's basically outsourcing.
Practices like this would also hurt the job market outside areas like Glitch City.
Not to mention that a lot of these jobs could be automated presumably since robotics is so advanced, but under capitalism, this type of efficiency is often dangerous to capitalists.
| Not everything has to be about "capitalist propaganda attacking muh communist ideals" it's a game, the devs probably wanted to make the conversation sound authentic and used a real conversation as template without thinking about politics
Or maybe it's because they are from Venezuela, the place with the dictatorship that claims to be communist, maybe they just wanted to indirectly vent against their government
And I don't even remember this part of the game we're talking about...
| >>562067
No offense, but I don't see how any of what you said is relevant. We're just discussing the economics of a game that dedicated a good 5 minutes doing the same.
Personally, I think that Stella's ideas are uninformed and faulty and was just sharing an opinion.
Here's a link to the convo:
https://youtu.be/lfHJUp3VECw
| >>562013 I never denied Art was in character. Though it may be just as>>562067, it seemed just like him to act in such a way. I simply want to expand the conversation further.
>>562055 Stella may have let a point go to her opponent, but by admitting the flaws in her stance, she shows she is the better person to Art, who refused to concede yet in the end scornfully pulled back.
| >>7d2540 I wouldn't call Stella uninformed. Far from it, actually. Heavily biased as a member of the elites is more like it.
Yes, that is certainly something that could've been added afterwards. But remember, unemployment has gone down by 40%, even amon all the Lilim working thanks to the A.I reformation program. However, even if unemployment has gone down, so has the value of work, and as such, minimum wage.
| After rewatching that scene, something that could've been further refuted could've been that store-brand varieties may have increased by 20%, the amount of products actually available for sale has probably dropped, if we were to take the empty mart shelf in the intro cutscene as being commonplace.
| >>562090
I'd definitely call her uniformed. She clearly knows nothing about outsourcing labor. Nobody says "credit where credit is due" when Nike sets up a sweatshop.
I don't think she's the better person in this debate either. She's playing apologetics to a company, and in the bigger picture, an economic system that viciously exploits the working class. Being a centrist on this issues is still pretty shitty. Tbh, it kinda changed the way I looked at her.
| As for Art, sure he got emotional, but is that an inappropriate reaction in this situation? Some bougie cat lady is sitting there telling him the megacorporation that is actively making life worse for him and his community isn't that bad. Maybe he can't fully articulate what the problem with ZC is, but he knows something's up, and he's right.
| >>7d2540 Credit where it is due, and criticism where it is due. I don't think such a notion is unreasonable. Just like Art, you refused to acknowledge that Zaibatsu Corp has done some good among the myriad of other bads. Neither him nor Stella denies that ZC is highly exploitative, but it is implied that without them the A.I Integration Act would be more difficult to come by, for example. Just because someone brings up the positives doesn't mean all the negatives are negated.
| >>562006
stella is a fucking capitalist bourgeois pig. i can't wait for the revolution so i can expropiate her qt π gf.
| >>562174
The A.I. Integration Act is a band-aid on a gaping wound, and doesn't fix any of the systemic inequalities they have to face. Even if it was actually helpful, I don't think doing the obviously just thing warrants congratulations.
Even if ZC had done some viable good, centrism will only benefit ZC. The pros and cons here aren't comparable and saying, "credit where credit is due" only obfuscates that.
| >>562291 Good thing we have IDs. Now I know who I have to break their legs when comrade Gillian creates the true Fifth International.
| Hose mad
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| I'm not sure which board to post this in, but since the focus is politics, here will do.
To all gurls who've played VA-11 HALL-A and are campaigners of socialism/communism, what do you think of the conversation between Stella and Art?
The writer at Sukeban says that he attempts to create dialogue as dynamic as it could be in real life, but the conversation seemed to lean heavily towards the capitalist/Stella side. What would you have argued for or added if you were in Art's shoes?