Its apparent non of you read the evidence you talk about
| Brown women are raping?!?! Where?! I need to go there!
| This is the funniest chud crash out I've seen on /news/ in a long time LMAO.
| >>1100728 I get that I am 100% schizoiding out here but like brother its insane to me. just post shit and not know what you are talking about. read the headline without caring about anything else
| >>1100734
the article goes into detail about how every aspect of the report is unreliable and overexaggerated in a way biased towards smearing all non-white people in britain.
it's another example of the right latching onto anything they can use as political cannon fodder.
at best, it's all fake.
at worst, it's several unrelated crimes commited over a span of a few years portrayed in the most racist light possible.
wouldn't see this if it was a bunch of white chud perps.
| oh and mind you, this kind of shit happens constantly with white men as perpetrators.
| but that doesn't make it to the headlines, does it now?
| >>1100751 it does and it has and it did. Every priest who disgustingly touches a kid or a toucher it makes the news, or idk when a massive pedophile ring in the US gets exposed and they try to cover it up. Kind of like what you are doing right now
| >>1100759 priests are high-profile compared to random criminals. this wasn't organized. they're just doing the thing the US did when they wouldn't shut up about alleged "immigrant child molesters, rapists and murderers" to radicalize people against them.
for example, nothing of that scale happened when it was revealed a lot of the january 6th guys ended up being pedophiles.
| not saying it's completely fake, just that it's really hard to believe anything they day when their goal is not justice but a political agenda that uses a few disgusting individuals to smear an entire group of people.
| Some Facts about people raping people:
- The common denominator isn't ethnicity, culture or origin of rapists. The common denominator is that most of them are males.
- Most rapists within a country culturally and ethnically belong to the majority in this country.
- Most rape occurs within conservative institutions, most notable within the nuclear family
- Most victims of rape (an other crimes) committed by minorities (such as immigrants) belong to to those minorities themselves.
| Yeah but migrant rape has a unique property of being imported and therefore unnecessarily high. The acceptable level is 0.
| Oh I forgot another important common denominator:
- The victims are usually women and children.
The following cases are unlikely exeptions:
- female rapist
- male rape victims
- rapist belong to another community (including culture, ethnicity) than their victims)
So in mostly white societies "the stranger black man waiting in the bush" is mostly an approach to externalize general problems (crimes) for the majority, led by people with an ideologically racist agenda.
| >>1101073
Goods are imported. Migrants aren't goods, they're people.
And as you describe it the acceptable level of rape is only 0 specifically for migrants. Is the acceptable level of rape by non-migrants higher to you?
| >>1101075
the acceptable level of migrant rape is 0 because migrants don't have to be here and they are let in by the government. They are guests. This is entirely self-inflicted and trivially solvable compared to other sources of rape.
| >>1101073
Also, can you sleep better knowing that rape of people you don't know by people you don't know occurs behind a more or less arbitrarily drawn line by some authorities who never cared and never will care about commoners?
| >>1101076
>because migrants don't have to be here
The same applies to residents. They are free to leave if they think somewhere else is better. There is no natural or morally justified right to stay where you were born. There are only property rights. Do you own the land you live on?
>the acceptable level of migrant rape is 0 because
Again: is the acceptable level of rape (or other crimes) comitted by residents higher to you?
| >>1101078
Your attitude just stinks of "not in my backyard". There isn't less rape (or crime) in the world and not even in your backyard by treating migrants different than locals. It's more likely you (or your closest ones) get raped by your local relatives, neighbors or civil authorities (priests, teachers, etc.) than by immigrants.
| >>1101079
You have citizenship and can't renounce it at will unless you have another. There is no mechanism to legaly change your jurisdiction by will alone. Hence we are stuck here.
Acceptable level is 0 for all, but it is easier to start with migrants first. Once again, they don't have to be here.
| >they are let in by the government
So you want your government to cherry pick the fruits of globalization instead?
Fine than let countries where migrants come from at least form stable governments, building an industry and develop nuclear weapons to defend themselves from your government.
Also: do you really believe that your local "brothers" from the upper classes will share the fruits of cherry-picked globalization fairly with you? Thats called "spirit of subservience".
| >>1101081
There is by definition less migrant rape if there are no migrants. A whole category of crime eliminated.
>>1101083
>So you want your government to cherry pick the fruits of globalization instead?
Yes, this is called proper migration policy.
And no, upper classes are not brothers. One problem at a time.
| >>1101084
have you perhaps considered this novel and daring idea of just putting criminals in prison and not desperately trying to pretend that any trait other than them being men has anything to do with the likelyhood of them becoming rapists?
| >>1101085 this works only if prisons work, which seems not to be the case recently since a lot of repeat criminals end up outside
| >>1101082
>You have citizenship and can't renounce
Of course you can. One can even gain another citizenship. In the end civil rights and civilization is only a thin layer, that is only kept up by the same kind of force which can destroy it at any time.
>Acceptable level is 0 for all, but it is easier to start with migrants first.
Why should it be easier to recognize criminal migrants than locals?
>Once again, they don't have to be here.
Once again, locals too.
| >>1101087
>One can even gain another citizenship
I am talking at will. Gaining another citizenship is jumping through hoops and living for multiple years with a valid reason. It turns out being a nigger from a retarded country is one unavailable to most. Hence we are stuck, again.
>Why should it be easier to recognize criminal migrants than locals?
Because migrants are not locals, obviously. They have different skin color and do not share culture nor history.
| >>1101087
>Once again, locals too.
But they do, they have to become locals somewhere else to stop being locals here. This is a process. This is one. Second we were here first, we should decide the rules, not the governments or migrants.
| >>1101088
>how does arresting people who don't wear socks make identifying criminals easier?
>well for starters they don't wear socks
how does an arbitrary trait relate to likelyhood of criminal actions?
| >>1101090
This is literally the case. An arrest is made by fulfilling a number criteria, accounting for severity of each of them. Blacks commit disproportionately more crime per capita, hence being black is a criteria. The more crimes they commit the more severe the criteria is. We are at a point that skin color alone is almost enough.
| >>1101091
>same old bullshit crime rates talking point with about as much validity as haitians eating cats and dogs im springfield
you know there's this point past drinking the magatard coolaid where you're just submitting yourself to intravenous copium-coolaid infusion.
| >>1101089
>But they do,
no they don't
>they have to become locals somewhere else to stop being locals here.
See, this is one possibility. Another one is to become stateless.
>we were here first
Who is "we", and where is "here"?
>we should decide the rules
But you don't. And you never will. You can have that in a stone age tribal society, but then you won't have fancy stuff.
| >>1101089
>Second we were here first
Who is "we", where is "here" and most important when is "first"?
>we should decide the rules
And do people who disagree with you about migration not belong to your "we"?
>not the governments
A governments decides by definition. If it doesn't its not a government. And if you want to decide, you have to become the government.
>or migrants.
Ofc migrants can become citizens and decide rules too. To me it won't make a big difference.
| >>1101091
>An arrest is made by fulfilling a number criteria, accounting for severity of each of them.
Ok, lets act as if I go with you here. But now my criteria is different to yours, up to a point where it even is possible to expel people with a clear racist agenda from the country. Do you really want to live in world where problems aren't actually solved and pushed around the globe instead?
| >>1101088
>I am talking at will. Gaining another citizenship is jumping through hoops and living for multiple years with a valid reason.
Maybe this is what you have to do in order to get a better view on migrants.
>>1101084
You mean "out of sight out of mind" like exploitation and war (which are the most important push factors for migration, btw.)
| >>1101086
It's only the stupid conservative "law, order and punishment" prisons that don't work. Liberal prisions (most notable example is norway) do actually work.
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| >>1101088
>Because migrants are not locals, obviously.
This is a tautology, which explains nothing. Sounds almost religious/cultistic.
>They have different skin color
You sure that ALL migrants have different skin color? Next stupid thing you may say is that all people with different skin color are migrants, lol...
>and do not share culture nor history.
You think culture and history are separated by national borders? That's a very limited understanding about those things.
| You are so full of neolib gas that I lost all interest answering to you. You will never unmelt the nigerians from the potholes.
| >>1101104
>the joyous sound of a chud folding like a lawnchair under unrelenting trvth
cry more chuddy
| >>1101104
I doubt you actually know the meaning of "neolib". To me opposing racism and neoliberalism go hand in hand, while racist bullcrap like yours is the ugly stinky appendix of neoliberalism.
| So, >>f4a535 may be bad at arguing their point and definitely racist, but I've yet to see any arguments that debunk:
Deporting criminal migrants
Jailing is must for criminals and has been way too laxed in the past few years
Stricter border control and actually choosing who enters the country
That migrant rape is way easier to avoid by just having less and better migrants
| >>1101125
>while the chud before me might've been racist and bad at arguing his points i still think we should consider his nonsensical racially motivated points as if they're not complete drivel
kek
refer to trvth nvkem's (>>34db93) previous posts and realise why the points you're bringing up are charlie kirk tier bullshit that doesn't even warrant consideration, let alone debunking
| >>1101129 if these points were actually wrong then you and others would have been able to point out whats wrong rather than deflect it...
What killed >>f4a535 point was not being completely wrong, it was giving up to die on a stupid hill over what they couldn't admit to be wrong.
| >>1101125
>Deporting criminal migrants
It's not like this isn't common practice all the time. And because the "migrant criminality" is an irrational fear and there are much bigger problems, people who advocate for deportation won't be satisfied with deporting criminals immigrants only. Next step is deporting all immigrants, which won't solve problems neither. Next is oppositionals or whatever the fascists present people as the next scapegoat for their failed politics.
| >>1101125
Jailing criminals is something which no one opposes. But there's no need for an extra treatment for migrants. Just don't fuck things up with reactionist "law and order" bullcrap, like the US, where jails are private operated criminality amplifiers. There should be only two goals of jailing people in:
1. protection of victims
2. rehabilitation of criminals
Punishment only makes things worse.
| >>1101125
>Stricter border control
After the desolution of the USSR people were told that this was the end of history, and now everyone on the planet will be free and happy because the godlike mechanisms of free market solve all problems magically.
>and actually choosing who enters the country
So you mean global cherry-picking of well educated people from other countries, so that their chances do progress shrink even more?
| >>1101125
>That migrant rape is way easier to avoid by just having less and better migrants
You mean people somehow become rapists by migrating to another country and are normal good people if they're in their country of origin? Yeah, those people exist. They're called "tourists" and "soldiers" and usually come from rich countries to poor countries.
| >>1101169 so you relly on a slippery slope fallacy... Thats the same argument people you oppose like to use for plenty of issues.
>>1101170 punishment is a valid form of treatment for people who cause trouble for others plus plenty of criminals are repeat offenders, say what you want, but the system is meant to protect the victims by removing criminals from the public, covers half of your requirements, but perfect but its better than letting people off just to cause trouble again
| >>1101171 people with criminal records, people from places that lack laws that punish certain crimes or lack certain rights for some key demographics...
I wouldn't trust a country that has laws or leaders that allow caste systems, I don't trust theocracies, nor places that lack womans rights, slave labor, child labor, child marrige etc.
| Of course, background checks can be run and thus if the individuals have nothing troublesome about them, they should be welcomed with open arms, just don't have completely blind open borders.
>>1101172 you entirely misread it... It means, deport and jail immigrants who rape and run background checks on immigrants and those who have records of behavior that is illegal or criminal, by the laws of the country they are trying to enter, just shouldn't be let in.
| Im don't understand why you rely so much on deflection and strawmans... I'm open to chance my opinion if I see a good argument, but you aren't really doing a good job at explaining why these points are actually wrong.
| >>1101188 nothing here prevents you from being>>34db93 and and this being just another way of deflecting...
Either way you are not arguing anything, just proving you are no better than >>f4a535 full of prejudice and incapable of logical thinking beyond surface level.
| >>1101201
>says immigrants cannot be trusted not to be criminals due to prejudice about the places they come from
>also accuses others of prejudice
you're basically wrapping the same surface-level racist bullshit talking points of >>f4a535 in more verbose phrasing, and to top it off you're also a hypocrite.
you're basically microscale ben shapiro, literally kill yourself.
| >>1101204 but thats not what I said... Thats a strawman for deflection.
I laid out what I expect to be done, background checks on criminal behavior and checks on the laws of their country of origin to see if there is nothing concerning normalized. There is nothing racist about this. No mention of color ethnicity made either.
Thats the bare minimum and every country should do that if they want to make sure there is a safe level of people circulating around the globe.
| Please bring an actual logical argument that explains why this is wrong, Im fully willing to discuss and change my opinion if given a good reason for it.
You are just humiliating yourself by not thinking about the topic (and even about your own opinions and emotionns) and defaulting to telling people to kill themselves just because you can't handle hearing an opinion different than yours.
So be mindful of who you are accusing of shallow thinking.
| >>1101184
So either you are ignorant to facts or you're not interested in solving problems at all. Because its proven multiple times, that a punishing system makes criminals worse and finally leads to even more crime. People who enter an US jail for minor crimes will become even more criminal. The US jail system is failing horribly, and everyone can see it. It doesn't make the US safer, but more dangerous instead.
| >>>1101185
But yet you consume goods produced under those circumstances. They're cheap goods. Affordable goods. Because you want fancy life, with fast-fashion and throw-away electronics for stupid entertainment. Always want to look good, but not work hard yourself. Not thinking yourself or living on your own. Only walking in the boots of your ancestors, never had to walk bare foot, making your own boots.
| >>1101214
>Thats the bare minimum and every country should do that if they want to make sure there is a safe level of people circulating around the globe.
Yeah, and maybe every country should have nuclear bombs to make the world a safer place.
Look, I don't want to live on a cherry-picking isolated island of simulated happiness that shifts its problems around the globe instead solving them. Because this will ALWAYS backlash HARD.
| >>1101215
>Please bring an actual logical argument that explains why this is wrong
Because it is wrong to treat people different because of their origin about things that do not inherently have to do with their origin.
Any argument to justify such differentiation is inherently chauvinistic e.g. cultural relativist, racist and/or "blood and soil" ideology. There is no logical argument for it, that is free from those things.
| >>1101185
>I wouldn't trust a country
If you just hat stopped here, I would agree. One can trust in individuals or in institutions. But trusting in a diverse society complex like a country, which can radically change at any time, would be insane.
And if you refer to the caste system like in India, well be sure there are people in those countries who hate it, waiting for their chance to get rid of it. But unfortunately there are people who benefit from it - also in the "free" world.
| >>1101300
>But unfortunately there are people who benefit from it - also in the "free" world.
I want to add, it's questionable if they really benefit from it, but they think they do and they're in charge and obviously support it. Many leaders in the world (including westerners) stick in Modis Ass, because he offers neoliberal politics, cheap ressources and labour pressed out from "his" country and "his" people.
| Its a fact that the "progressive", "free" and "democratic" countries did not liberate any other country since the end of WW2. In the opposite: During cold war and even afterwards they pampered religious fundamentalists, fascists, autocrats and dictators of any kind - as long they were no "communists" or being suspected for. Most of misery and grievances in other countries is due to those post-imperialistic post-colonialist politics by the "west".
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| >>1101294 its more complicated, nobody even gets full sentences anymore... People can also get out scott free if proven to no be in mental condition to stand trial, then there is places like the UK deliberately trying to make race based arrest quotas to balance out demographics.
The prison system is failing more because its been growing extremely laxed, nobody is better properly punished nor being rehabilitated either, just stuck in a weird position without real consequences.
| >>1101296 gonna presume this reply isn't to me since I never said anything that would prompt such response and when I click to see what you are replying, it goes ERROR.
| >>1101297 you are severely exaggerating how bad such basic system is, like how old are you? Because that was the standard 15 years ago and that definitely didn't stop globalization and migration.
This doesn't prevent people from entering a country, it just filters people on an individual basis.
Its perfectly healthy and reasonable to not let unknown people enter a place especially if they have had an active criminal history. Your country is your home.
| >>1101298 but none of what I said is about treating people differently based on their origin, its all based on their actions and values they uphold.
| >>1101300 hypothetical example: a country has no laws against rape and has a divine rule that jusifies it.
I would not trust immigrants from that country to not rape, if people in that country are suffering, then its on them to topple their regime and put laws that criminalize rape, this way they can get an easier time when trying to go to other countries.
Its not that complicated on how this should be addressed.
| >>1101301 >>1101302 I don't disagree on that, it just that its such an irrelevant point when it comes to what can reasonably be done to solve it.
Think about how many people alive and just trying to get by are simply not related to that... People just want to have a safe environment and a reasonably paying job.
Big issues cant be solved while we are drawing in a pool smaller cumulative issues. We gotta priortize what we can.
| And dealing with the crime that can be solved and prevented by just deporting immigrant criminals and have functional border control is basically one of these issues that can be solved quickly if done right. Which leaves room open to start looking into more issues and bigger issues.
This thread is closed.
| The rape report is fake! Posts and article that says it excluded rapes from brown women so actually there was more rape... "Take that you racist chud!!!"
???? You people man....