Is Trump... retarded?
| When Russia started the war every analyst told that Russia is going to win in like a couple of weeks because it was the second biggest army in the world or whatever. No one believed in Ukraine and they obviously proved everyone wrong.
But in the Iran's case? I didn't see any indication that it might work. Iran is a big country. The protests were not about the US/Israel diplomacy, they were purely about the economy.
So... What was the plan? I don't understand.
| Obviously, history is unpredictable and everything is possible but I don't see a way out of this?.. Like, at all.
Any geopolitics g/u/rls can explain me what is going on?
| There are ways it can work.
Technically Russia is an ally to Iran but they aren't doing shit and are still struggling at Ukraine.
Iran due to being surrounded by US allies and having a generally bad rep due to terrorism funding, is under a lot pf pressure.
They can't do economic pressure properly due to how badly it could effect its own allies at most they have spread news about putting mines on trading canals.
| They also cant do military pressure without attacking any countries surrounding it, so they just do small strikes on them rather than full on assault.
Iran is clearly in a fragile state or at least pretending really well to be, by all accounts they lost, just haven't surrendered yet, but this could be because of their theocratical aspects with a mix of trying to como off as strong while they churn out AI propaganda.
| On the aspects of regime change, currently its still not within a reasonable chance, due to extremists civilians and remaining people in power trying their best the people on tight leash. There have been cases of people being shot for commemorating the death of the ayatollah.
So the current administration still has power to keep their population relatively in check.
2 ways it can go is attacks from national around iran to take it down or the population somehow manages a coup.
| I figure if the USA keeps bombing the Muslim n leadership eventually their grip slackens and some of them negotiate power sharing with liberals
| >>ef8609
Thank you for your response! Well, you have mentioned two ways: a ground operation from the allies and a coup. However, this is the part I don’t understand.
It doesn’t look like any of the allies are interested in the ground operation though? I mean, Iran is big (90 million people) and has a lot mountains. It is expensive to go there and it is not like Iran is usually a threat to any of the golf countries. Why would they go to Iran now?
| >>1086899 2 reasons, not very good ones but it can happen.
1- Iran is has already attacked them recently by launching drones and missiles on neighbors while trying to strike US soldiers. Plus this started a new wave of terrorist attacks.
2- Israel is likely working on that too in the background.
But of course, there is the chance that nothing happens, we are just talking about what would be optimal to the US.
| Yes
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| Yes, Trump is as retarded as his fanbase.
Just another old white fascistoid fart whose only "achievement" was being the son of some older white fascistoid real estate mogul.
Seriously, what did you expect? Did you really believe one of the most ugly creatures from the swamp will drain his natural habitat? That a pussy grabber and child molester will protect women and children from evil men? That good and evil people can be determined by their national or ethnic origin?
| >>1086890
Sounds like Iran and the USA while being "enemies" have in fact more in common than they pretend to.
The only difference that matters is similiar to Russia and Ukraine: One side is bigger and has nuclear weapons.
Just watch and see what happens if you put righttards in charge: They'll make common people kill each other while an incest fascist minority "elite" swims in profit.
| >>1087233
They ARE enemies, there is no "", if they were secret allies, there would have been a clear reposition of chain of command sponsored by trump by now but currently they have some military higher up leading as he is what's left while they wait for a miracle as there is comatose Ayatollah relative.
Also the difference that really matters is culture, because I could tolerate living in the US, I couldn't in iran and there are very obvious reasons as to why.
| For all I care, at least Trump doesn't shut down the internet and ther murders 30k people to silence them into compliance over mass protests, nor does he institute a theocracy that normalizes child marriage, and regardless of his own misogyny, woman still have rights. Culture is a major difference between these 2.
Second paragraph is true, tho that applies tho any corrupt government regardless of political alignment, we don't even need hypotheticals, history proves as much.
| >>1087252
They are allies in spirit.
They have common enemies:
Democracy, left a.k.a. progressive minded people, underprivileged minorities, fooled masses*, facts
They also have common allies:
Autocratic cleptocrats, various reactionist groups (including religious fundamentalists), a privileged minority, fooled masses*, lies
*Yes, fooled masses are their enemies and allies at the same time. This is what makes them the fools in the first place.
| Maaan, yall post stuff like this and wonder why everyone dislikes you
| >>1087253
Ideologically there's much potential for "MAGA" to become white supremacist and or evangelicalist US-Version of ayatollahs. The US may has a longer heritage of (bourgeois) democracy than Iran (the first and last democracy there was very short lived, also thanks to the US) but nothing lasts forever. Bourgeois democracy are build on an politcal-economical volcano. Sometimes only a bit of smoke was enough to let them fall.
And political alignment totally DOES matter.
| >>247c29 >They have common enemies: Democracy, left a.k.a. progressive minded people, underprivileged minorities,
Imagine being brainrotted into ideology to the point of unironically believing that's what powerful political figures belive to be their opposition and not differences in culture, ideology, self interest, power and resources. 15 year old logic.
| Lemme tell you something important when it comes to the "right wing" leaders (all leaders acrosshe globe), they don't care about minorities, the left, democracy, the underprivileged etc.
They care about power and resources, and also any tools to attain and keep them. Anyone who is with them is their ally, anyone against them is their opposition. This is regardless of race, religion, ideology or political alignment.
| Because politicians use anything to get them in power and keep it, if they have to pretend to be communist, capitalism, pro a certain group or race, just so they can get in power they will do it.
If they have to oppress people keep power they do it, if they have to give them some rights and benefits, they do it. Its just a matter of the situation of their own country and what current thing they have to pander to push their own agenda with least amount of pushback.
| Minorities and underprivileged people get the lower end of the stick because they lack power over the majority, which is why there is such historical oppression of certain group.
People who lead white supremacists don't actually believe to be superior, they just need an escape goat and sell an ideology that gets a good enough amount of people to give them power, same with theocrats, communists, democrats and monarchs.
| Democracy, the left and minorities are not the opposition of Trump or the Ayatollah, its just a tool they aren't leaning as much to attain and maintain power but if the need comes, they will happily use it if its naive to believe that you can just pick leaders of one ideology or side when dealing with power.
All politicians wanna oppress you and they will use your ideology for it if needed. Don't judge them on they say or even who they walk with, judge them on what they do.
| All they want is power, and what you should do is not give it to them.
Democracy is a good way of doing it but then they bring out populism and use democracy against you.
You can use communism to fight capitalism, but they can also use socialism to centralize power.
You can use minorities to oppose them and they can pander to them with benefits.
Don't believe in left and right, its a illusion to sell you ideology and religion to blindly believe one leader over the other.
| >>1087274
Its been 2 years since oct 7, and Israel has killed at least 70k civilians according to the UN
https://www.unrwa.org/resources/reports/unrwa-situation-report-201-situation-gaza-strip-and-west-bank-including-east-jerusalem
Since the start of the USA campaign of "war on terror" up until 2021, the have killed at least 22k civilians, potentially numbers of close to 50k
https://airwars.org/tens-of-thousands-of-civilians-likely-killed-by-us-in-forever-wars/
| It's been a month since the last wave of protests in Iran that have been happening over 2 months, and in just that singular event the Iranian government have killed at least 30k of their own civilians and there is still counting
https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198
Iran is demanding their national woman football team gets sent back so they can punish them for refusing to sing the national anthem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defection_of_Iran_women%27s_national_football_team
| >>159842 cute!
The only thing I disagree with is not giving power to the politicians. I mean, it would be better to have all the power in my hands but I don’t want to deal with the risks. Outsourcing it to the guy who at least says it represents my interests is lesser evil than creating a power vacuum that someone *will* fill in at some point.
| >>1087311 its fine to outsource work to who you believe to be competent, what you can't do is tolerate them being bad at their job and abuse the position you asked them to fulfill.
People need to think for themselves more and actually voice their complaints loudly whenever some bullshit happens.
And if they don't listen we throw them out, treat them with about as much kindness and they treat us, while also rewarding good behavior, it creates trust.
| And don't fall for the lesser evil bullshit, it sells an illusion of no choice to force people's moral boundaries into accepting less, this way they can normalize bad options.
If there are no good choices, don't make a choice and go wild on them, at that point the game is rigged.
| >>1087314 yeah, that makes sense. The thing I don’t understand is how to create a system where people think for themselves more. Because I feel like people in general don’t want to think for themselves and are happy to give away their freedom which in turn corrupts the people in power.
| It is like a woman who is an abusive relationship. The abuser becomes more aggressive with each episode because the victim doesn’t fight back. We live in a society where we keep blaming the abuser because “stop abusing the victim!!!” and the victim doesn’t have to do anything with the situation.
| The same thing is happening with the politics. We keep blaming the abuser (politicians) while avoiding the truth that it is our responsibility to literally fight them if they go overboard. Not wait for another politician, not cope that “Trump is a 14d chess master”. Why wouldn’t you abuse the power if the people who vote for you trust you like you are a God?
| I think that the current politicians are also victims of the weak population. They realised that they can do pretty much anything they want, they got bored, and started fucking little children because it is the only thrill they have nowadays.
Maybe we should stop blaming the scorpion for poisoning the frog and rather stop being a helpless frog in the first place.
| Well, real life has its curve balls and geopolitics are no different.
I gave 2 scenarios over how the US would deal with iran regime change an Trump made a 3rd one, pressure allies to join in or he leaves NATO, now this is getting motion in some countries and meetings are happening.
| >>1087279
Imagine being brainrotted into bourgeois ideology to the point of unironically believing that there are "powerful political figures" (where does their power come from? Are they superhumans or what?)
> differences in culture
cultural relativism
> ideology
is pretty much the same as culture
> self interest, power and resources.
Whose interest? What kind of power? Who owns the resources - before and after the war(s) about them? The people? Don't make me laugh.
| >>1087280
They care about power and resources, and also any tools to attain and keep them. >Anyone who is with them is their ally,
They have no allies. They have goons and bootlickers.
>anyone against them is their opposition.
Which is basically 99% of the population. Unfortunately there are too many dumbasses and cowards who think they get a medal for being a good servant.
| >>1087281
>Because politicians use anything to get them in power and keep it
This is why a political system needs to restrict and distribute power. You're also too limited to "politicians". Capitalists (those who own the production means) are more important. They are in charge in capitalism. And we live in a capitalist world. Their actions, existence and reign is an inherent political matter and not "god given" or "natural".
| The existence of Pretenders, Opportunists and Machiavellists or the failure of previous alternatives approaches to the underlying global political economical system we have does not disprove the fundamental criticism on it nor does it proof there isn't another (and possibly better) system possible. It does not validate or legitimize the actions of fascistic assholes who let murder people each other for fabricated lies about antagonizing nations, religions, races and cultures.
| >>1087319
The thing is that the Trumpists WILL shoot at "their" people just as the Ayatollahs did to "their" people. They are like minded. And they have stupid goons that will follow their stupid orders. Not because they have some ominous mystical "political" power, but because they live in a system that grants people power of people through the private ownership (of capital). You think Trump is president because he's a smart guy? You think the ayatollahs are god chosen?
| >>1087313
>People need to think for themselves more and actually voice their complaints loudly whenever some bullshit happens.
This is not possible within this polito-economical system. It wouldn't work. No one would do all the shitty paid shit jobs for a ridiculous loan only to increase some rich idiots wealth.
>And if they don't listen we throw them out, (...) while also rewarding good behavior, it creates trust.
Trust is good. Control is better.
Throw them out once and for all!
This thread is closed.
| I mean, he wanted a regime change but it didn't work and you are saying they didn't think about the consequences at all?