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Macbooks (m1) for security and privacy
| Macbooks on the other hand are more of a black box, but the hardware that macos runs on especially for M1 macs is pretty solid. They have really good BIOS protection, hardware level ram encryption and with the right settings and firewall to block processes from using the internet it can provide good privacy too. The debate was mostly about which one was generally easier to gain access if you had physical access. What do you g/urls think
| >the debate was mostly about which one was generally easier to gain access if you had physical access
if you are not restricted by time you'll eventually gain access to any setup you want, even if it takes sth like 2^512 time
besides if someone is already pulling the kind of infiltration necessary to gain physical access they can just beat you with a crowbar until you divulge the passwords you fat retard
| Buying an Apple product for security is a myth. The only reason to purchase a Macbook in the 2020's is as a fashion statement or display of wealth.
| none of the benefics you listed are actually important for security.
forcing encryption is idiotic and will most of the time just lead to dataloss.
macs are restrictive and lacking by design.
if you buy one your either delusional or forced into it becaue of your occupation.
| >>891810
There's also the fact that they have the only decent arm laptop on the market for now
>>891811
why would disk encryption lead to dataloss? unless you forget the key you encrypted the disk with your data won't just disappear
for me macs have quite good hardware (eg the screen on the pro14) and as soon as asahi linux becomes better i'll install it, so that i can get the best of both worlds
| >>891912
encrypted/compressed data is more vulnarable to corruption and getting locked out of the entire system over a forgotten key is silly.
>arm
the sole reason one would want arm is power usage, most don't care about that if they could just use a minimal DE/tty and probably get equal rez
> good hardware
no clue, i don't bother looking at macs due to their restricions, incomapabilities and price.
but i assume a simmilarly priced PC/laptop will get you at equal/close in quality
| >>891936 you're clearly not a normal PC user
> Most don't care about that if they could just use minimal de/tty
The amount of people who would choose to use a minimal de or tty just to save an hour or two of battery life is rather small, and with arm you don't have to choose so you can't just write that off
| Encryption does make data vulnerable to data loss, for example mac's do disc encryption with a chip on the board so if you're MacBook takes a dip and that chip gets fried you're sol even if you have the password because of how they've implemented it, however time machine is the best backup utility I've ever used so it's probably not that big of a deal so long as you actually take backups
| As for aboves good hardware point that's been true generally, and you can probably beat a MacBook in a specific benchmark but if you want the battery life of arm in a thin and light you basically have one option
I don't currently own one and I'm hesitant because I don't trust apple to be consumer friendly but that doesn't change that they're making a pretty good laptop, they even put a 1080p webcam in the new version
| >>891993
minimal de is two hours of battery time for absolutley free though.
also if all you do is take write text, which is also a common use, a tty is just as good and turns a few hours into a day of battery.
| >>892105 how many average users do you know who would switch de or learn what a cli is to save two hours of battery
Vs
Arm MacBook using its full featured ui for like 14-16 hrs of battery life
| >>892215
i know tens of ppl that would be fine using a minimal de, at least 10 that would install minimal de, 0 that would use a tty, and 0 that would buy a macbook
| >>892215
so the formal anwser:
i know tens of ppl that would switch de to save battery, because a avradge user doesn't give a fuck about de once they get used to it.
and i know 2 compleate normies one in their 60s that are tech iliterate and use a lite linux DE.
| i know because for both of them i updated their os since they started to get outdated browser notifications, and couldn't figure out how to push the update button
that is the kind of person that is considered the avradge user that needs a minimal DE, and there are a lot of them
those kind of ppl aren't nutters willing to spend a fuck ton on a disfunctional social status symbol
they just want a filesystem, a browser, a media player, basic funcionality that linux is best at
| I'm not sure I consider 60 y/o tech illiterate people the average user
> nutters willing to spend a fuck ton on a disfunctional social status symbol
We've been over this earlier MacBooks if you price out hardware have usually been in line with their competition
I get not liking apple but calling their customers nutters as a whole is a bit much, 1k for a decent laptop is reasonable
| >>892654
the 60 y/o was one example
it suprised me to find out someone that incompetant is using linux and had been for a long time
it was an interesting example. the rest are boring
the question was "energy saving DE vs mac"
and in my experiance the formar has seen a lot more use by several users
most don't care tho, and just use a laptop as a pc that's easily moved
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| So i've been having a debate with a friend about the security and privacy of macbooks, specifically ones with the M1 chips. While I do agree that linux being open source is extremely secure especially with more advanced patches to the kernel, the hardware is usually the weak point. Things like BIOS passwords that are supposed to protect the computer from running other OSs are a lot of times easily removable, and most consumer computers do not have hardware level security features.