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| Yeah, I tried to stick to Wayland as well but there were so many problems while X11 just works.
Also, Wayland is not even better on the architecture level. It is a huge pain to develop new stuff with it. X11 is not ideal either but migrating everything for a better multiple display support is kinda dumb.
| It reminds me of Gnome. Oh, you want a basic feature like scaling and font size? Just use the unofficial extension which was updated 3 years ago that you need to install separately.
Wayland is the same. Oh, you a developer that doesn’t want to implement everything one more time? Go fuck yourself.
| > for a better multiple display support
ye i noticed dpi/scale is non existant on x11 with multiple monitors.
thing is yes wayland let's you set it per monitor unlike X. but then some programs get blurred when they get fullscreen. and sway will just automaticly fullscreen if there's a single window.
resulting in some games just gettin blurred until you tab out. (if you're scaling the display)
that topped with crashes and general sluggishness+jank....
| i say games but it's the same for web/other. it's horrendus. just most common w/games.
you've done development on x/wayland?
| wayland enjoyers need to be lined up and shot
| Is it that bad? If I had those issues I would definitely consider switching to x11 but in my experience never really had anything like that come up. I don't know if I've ever actually tried x11 thinking about it now...
| > Is it that bad?
i mean for me, ye.
what makes it worse is that a few years ago wayland was in a reasonable state, then they added more bugs.
sidenote i've now found out about the xorg/xlibre drama, wild. hopefully x11 gets worked on again.
if wayland works for you that's neat though. for me security improvements on this level are meaningless.
maybe they'll be important if linux ever becomes windows popular. and we get lots of crap ware.
| I've honestly had very few issues with Wayland on openSUSE with KDE 6
I've previously had issues with XWayland windows flickering but that was a Nvidia problem not Wayland
For display scaling it has to be implemented by the developer of whatever program, otherwise your options are no scaling (small) or let Wayland scale it (blurry) there should be an option in display settings to pick which way to handle things
| x11 doesn't support mixed refresh rates so that's an instant deal breaker for me personally, but if you're not running a multi monitor setup I can see sticking with x11
Plus the whole x forwarding over ssh thing is super cool even if it's not really that practical
| I should make a new standard that’s better than either!
| I'm glad, the voice of reason has prevailed!
Also, I hate that moment when maintainers packages e.g. Firefox with wayland that still use x11, why no make to packages: one with this sh*t; other - normal, with only x11?
| why no make to
| >>1060768
>any software ya'll too stubborn to give up? (even though it rails you every day)
Windows
I cannot use Windows without it being stripped down, it's been the case for Windows 10, it is the case for Windows 11.
On 10 I could just get away with LTSC.
On 11 I need to not only use LTSC, but also go with Explorer Patcher, winutil, restoring context menu, etc, and the system still feels like a dog shit.
| But despite that, I'm not migrating to Linux anytime soon. A lot of things are handled differently which upsets me.
I can't use old specific version of software. I need to use whatever is the most recent in repo.
I don't understand the partitioning, and I don't like how automated install just formats your entire drive.
Desktop Environments are either buggy (GNOME, MATE), very lackluster (LXQT, MATE) or bloated (KDE, Cinnamon, GNOME).
| XFCE is great, but lacking. KDE is great, but it feels heavier than Windows LTSC.
| Can you just use windows on expensive hardware for good performance? Get a buncha cores n SSD n graphics card n plenty RAM?
| I’m gonna build a super computer that runs windows at 60fps one day instead of doing that
| >>1061162
> old packages
ye that's a problem and in some ways it's so much worse, most of my problems come from garbage package maintainers.
> wm's
i'm on i3, i like it
You're right though for someone pedantic it's a pain.
maybe consider?
Time spent combating compounting windows issues
vs
Time spent dealing with a set amount of linux issues
Sounds like windows is a sisyphean task, ye sure you've pushed the boulder half way but the mountain keeps getting bigger.
| >>1061223 I'd consider it, but yesterday I was just reminded that there is still no graphical control panel for my GPU xD
I've managed to configure Win 11 last afternoon finally to my liking. LTSC shouldn't break with some update since it is only security updates.
Seriously though, I understand NVIDIA, but why can't AMD provide a control panel for Linux?
| >>1061288
what do you use a gpu control panel for?
i always tried to get rid of them back on windows, seemed like clutter to me.
| ratpoison ftw
| >>1061291 who hurt you?
>>1061308 what? You've gotta be kidding.
The most basic functions like gpu scaling, undervolting, overclocking, custom resolutions, forcing antialiasing, locking framerate
| >>1061362
ye i'm not kidding.
personaly:
don't use, don't use, don't use, handled by wm, really don't want, handled ingame.
but like even if i wanted too
it took 3 seconds to find software that does:
https://gitlab.com/corectrl/corectrl
| >>1061403
if you want a anwser to that i suggest you re-word it in a way that makes sense in context
because
> anon1 > i like overclocking i need gpu controlpanel
> anon2 > i don't care about overclocking, but you can just use another controlpanel
in what world does what you asked make sense to the conversation
| >>bd4cf3
maybe you shouldn't advocate for useless software just to be different if you don't want to get called out for it
| >>41ef14 if you haven't migrated from Windows 7 to Linux then you should kill yourself and never use a computer again.
| We should stop using computers. The great experiment of giving everyone unlimited info and calculation capabilites showed no discernable positive impact on the world. Its time to return them back to academia for actually useful things.
| >>1061628 hey pal, do you mind killing yourself?
(I actually didn't mind until you mentioned academia as if it didn't give us this hellscape to begin with)
| ITT Perpetually online losers keeps whining about computers because they themselves can't handle them.
| I gotta admit I never used anything besides X11 so I got nothing to compare to.
| Can they just release X12 to end the Wayland drama?
| That makes sense
| No one knows! Maybe tux the penguins ate themb
| I will switch to wayland as soon RDP implementation for KDE works as proper, secure and flawless as X2Go does.
In my experience Wayland locally already feels smoother and much more stable with KDE Plasma-Desktop compared to X11.
The only thing I'm missing is a proper remote desktop solution with native and virtual session/login capabilities.
(VNC is no option here)
>>1061384
Thanks for the cool link. I never missed and searched for a GPU-OC-GUI. But its nice to know it exists.
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| all these linux posts, made me realize that wayland is not worth the hassle so after 7years i'm back on x11.
and fuck me for being a stuborn shit and sticking with it sooo long.
any software ya'll too stubborn to give up? (even though it rails you every day)